Can I store my guns stored with a cable lock

[ih8ca]

I am going thinking of going back to WA and getting some of my guns out of storage and bringing them back to CA. I want to know if it wouold be legal to store the guns with a cable lock instead of a bullet button. I will not be shooting the guns in CA/ The cable lock never be unlokced in CA. The guns are legal to own in CA with a bullet button, so thats not an issue. Thanks

[pacrimguru]

store which guns where? are you talking about the storage of your WA guns while being transported to CA? it's not clear what you are talking about here. do they have bullet buttons or not?

basically, if they are guns that require a BB to be legal in CA, then they need BB's to be in this state regardless of how you have them locked up.

[dieselpower]

if you mean can you store the AR15 /bb without a magazine and with a cable lock through the open ejection port and magazine well. Yes.

The fact it has a BB means it doesnt have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, it doesnt have to have a magazine in it at all times.

[pacrimguru]

OP, please clarify your question. it makes no sense.

[Librarian]

Locks and bullet buttons perform different functions.

If you mean semi-auto centerfire rifles with pistol grips and collapsible stocks, you must either have the bullet button or remove those features in order to avoid having an 'assault weapon'.

Importing an 'assault weapon' is a Very Bad Thing.

Oh - the use for the cable lock? I can't actually think of one. But they do not make 'assault weapons' into 'non-assault weapons'.

[pacrimguru]

^ yea, what he said sums it up.

[ih8ca]

I want to store the guns in CA with no bullet button. I want to know if I can use a cable lock instead. The gun could not accept a detachable magazine then.

[mrvash]

I want to store the guns in CA with no bullet button. I want to know if I can use a cable lock instead. The gun could not accept a detachable magazine then.

You will still need a BB if your rifles are configured by CA's PC as assault rifles. The BB changes the "detachibility" of the magazine within the rifle to make it CA compliant, it doesn't need a magazine in it at all times.

[Cokebottle]

Oh - the use for the cable lock? I can't actually think of one.

They make wonderful motorcycle helmet locks.

[Cokebottle]

I want to store the guns in CA with no bullet button. I want to know if I can use a cable lock instead. The gun could not accept a detachable magazine then.

Definite no-go, unless you want to be a test case.

Possible would be to separate the upper from the lower (if an AR-pattern rifle), the receiver is not an AW without a centerfire upper.

And you cannot import your high caps unless you disassemble them first.

[Keystone]

Just take off your flash hider, forward grip, and pistol grip while in storage. Replace when out if state.

[Librarian]

I want to store the guns in CA with no bullet button. I want to know if I can use a cable lock instead. The gun could not accept a detachable magazine then.

You will still need a BB if your rifles are configured by CA's PC as assault rifles. The BB changes the "detachibility" of the magazine within the rifle to make it CA compliant, it doesn't need a magazine in it at all times.

Cable lock doesn't change the essential characteristic of the gun any more than storing it in a safe does.

It's bullet-button or featureless, nothing else will serve to keep you out of 'assault weapon' problems if you bring them into CA. Cable-lock idea is total fail for what you say you want to do.

[edwardm]

This is an interesting question. PC 12276.1:

"12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall
also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:"

If there is something jammed in the magwell, i.e. a cable going up through the magwell and out the ejection port, then back around in a loop, and the rifle cannot accept a magazine, I'm thinking it functionally falls outside 12276.1. I envision counterarguments, but they all have parallels in the existing maglocks, i.e. they can all be defeated/removed.

I'm NOT offering legal advice, merely musing. Until you turned the key in the cable lock, the rifle can't take a magazine. Functionally it is little different than welding a plate over the bottom of the magwell. Unlock the cable and you're in possession of an assault weapon. Dremel off the hypothetical blocking plate and the result would be the same.

A simple way around it is to install a BB prior to unlocking the cable lock.

A simple and smart way around it is just to install the BB prior to entry into the state, assuming everything else is kosher. I wonder what I'm missing here.

[edwardm]

Cable lock doesn't change the essential characteristic of the gun any more than storing it in a safe does.

It's bullet-button or featureless, nothing else will serve to keep you out of 'assault weapon' problems if you bring them into CA. Cable-lock idea is total fail for what you say you want to do.

Run a cable up the empty magwell of an AR-15, out the ejection port and back around to the magwell and lock it.

Then lawyer me on how the rifle can accept a magazine, let alone a detachable magazine. Like I said in my original reply, I'm probably missing something after 2 days without sleep, but I'm not sure where.

You're outside the 12276.1 definition for "capable of accepting."
You're outside the CCR definition of 'detachable' magazine.

Again, let's say you fill the magwell with some 2 part epoxy. Functionally it's doing nearly the same thing (less, really) than the cable.

[BostonFan]

Do exactly what keystone said. If it were me I'd just unscrew the pistol grip