Non-OLL Lowers

[ke6guj]

There is a guy advertising a Colt .22LR.

Because it's .22LR, it's not an AW.

because it is a .22lr that is not listed, it is not an AW. But if Colt put out a .22lr semi-auto rifle with AR15 on the side, it woudl be a listed AW.

[E Pluribus Unum]

because it is a .22lr that is not listed, it is not an AW. But if Colt put out a .22lr semi-auto rifle with AR15 on the side, it woudl be a listed AW.

What kind of shampoo do you use??

I would bet you have a lot of split ends with as much hair splitting as you're doing...

I would assume that goes without saying.

[rromeo]

Negative.

whomever told you that... stop listening. big no no.

I wasn't listening. I was just posting what I've seen here and I said I wouldn't do it. Why would I move back to California.

[dieselpower]

I wasn't listening. I was just posting what I've seen here and I said I wouldn't do it. Why would I move back to California.

that is one of the many problems on a forums board. You get people on each side of an issue either twisting your words, misreading your words, adding inflection were non-was offered, and for the most part hyper "extending" what you write.

We all do it, even Bill. I for one have never read a single thread here where someone has offered advice to go buy and store a listed lower. I have read hundreds and commented on hundreds of threads asking a question just like this thread did.

People freak out (the "right" people included) because it is possible to use the information in the wrong way.

Lowers
Magazines
CCW

The questions will always be asked, they need to always be answered properly.

My .02, to this OP

Quick question I think I know the answer to but I want to double check. If a lower is on the banned list, you can't have it at all in Cali right? Even if it's stripped, nothing on it?

Its debatable since FIREARMS are not banned AWs that are firearms are. So even if your Listed Lower is a firearm, its not an AW unless it means both prerequisites.
1) Semi-automatic
2) a rifle, a pistol or a shotgun.

Has the DoJ stated they feel "even a single action listed firearm is an AW"? Yes. I am also sure a DA will go after you for it. Stretching that to include a stripped lower....??? So if you have one of the two, its likely they would come after you, if you have neither of the two prerequisites its doubtful IMHO.

[pacrimguru]

is the OP asking because he wants to have a stripped non-OLL in the safe? kinda scratching my head on why. besides, is there an FFL that would even attempt to DROS an On List Lower (regardless of the configuration) anyway?

[Cokebottle]

There is a guy advertising a Colt .22LR.

Because it's .22LR, it's not an AW.

No, it's not an AW because it most likely is a factory .22lr, made by Umarex with the Colt logo on the side.
It is NOT a Colt AR15 of the banned model numbers. It is either the off-list model number (there is one), or it is, most likely, the Colt-licensed Umarex, which is sold at Cinco Grande.

If it IS a banned-by-name Colt lower, then it is an AW in California and should be removed from the marketplace.

[straykiller]

just get an off list lower and be safe

[xenophobe]

Evan's Fixed Magwell would be the only exception that I know of. Even with DOJ letterhead stating they're legal, that's only opinion as they were still technically named. You could still be prosecuted with one of these. I don't know where they currently stand... but 2 years ago, they were given DOJ blessing.

As for a non-modified receiver of a listed rifle. This is trying to push the grey area farther than most reasonably intelligent people are willing to go.

If you want to make the collective community /facepalm and become the next imprisoned test subject facing felony conviction, go for it.

[Cokebottle]

If you want to make the collective community /facepalm and become the next imprisoned test subject facing felony conviction, go for it.

Ditto.

(and this is not directed at the OP)

I just don't get it. Listed lowers, high caps, "trigger activation aids".... WAY too many people... generally new members here... post a new thread, or suggestion or speculation every week about a way they thought of to "get around" the law.

New flash.
OLL, bullet button, single shot exemption, 03FFL/COE, etc...

These are not "ways around the law". These do not take advantage of loopholes. They are ways that we can work WITHIN the law to do something that we previously believed to be illegal due to FUD from the BOF/DOJ and old-timers working at gun shops.

The moment you think you've found a way "around the law", stop. Do not pass go, or you just MIGHT go directly to jail, and I've got a pretty good feeling that CGF will not be there to aid your defense.

Guys... these are felony charges that you are playing with, and all it takes is one felony conviction, and even if you don't serve any prison time, you will find that you will not ever have to worry about any gun law ever again because guns will no longer be a part of your life.