Confused about the flowchart. Help!

[dmendoza1779]

I have trouble understanding the part where it says that if you have pistol grip, forward pistol grip, flash suppressor, collapsable stock that if you answer YES to any of those, that it would still be illegal and violates PC 12276.1 (a)(A-F). Can anyone explain, sorry if this has been said before. I'm new to the forums.


P.S. However, I do understand that you need to have a magazine lock such as a BB and not exceed 10 round capacity.

Thank you

[Reductio]

You can only get there if you already answered that YES to having a detachable magazine. A BB makes the magazine NON-detachable.

Basically if you have the maglock, you can have all those 'features' like grips and flash hiders. If you want to use the normal mag release, then you can't have any of those (aka, 'featureless build')

[saber]

Here is how I explain it:

Detachable magazine + anything fun (pistol grip, etc) is bad.

Magazine needing a tool to release + fun stuff (pistol grip, etc) is okay

Detachable mag and non fun stuff is okay

[dieselpower]

12276.1 (1) is a conditional law. You must first meet the conditions in the first sentence before the second requirements come into play.

the conditional requirements are
1) Semi-automatic
2) Centerfire
3) Rifle (pistols have their own set of laws)
4) Detachable magazine.

once you have all four of those you then look for the other features listed.

If you do NOT have the first 4, the rifle in question can NOT be an AW, even if it has every single one of the other features. You must first have the original 4 to go on.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

so a Single action centerfire rifle with detachable magazine can NOT be an AW.

A semi-automatic RIMFIRE rifle with detachable magazine can NOT be an AW.

A semi-automatic centerfire rifle with FIXED magazine can NOT be an AW

So when you take away one of those first 4 requirements, you can then have;
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

[dmendoza1779]

Thanks for the reply. It's a lot clearer to me now.

[papafloyd]

Yes, I undestand it better now. What gets me is why do these features make it evil.....sure may make it a little more comfortable, may help with the flash, folding stock may make it easier to conceal but it really just changes the way it looks more or less, not the way it operates.

[Omega13device]

It has everything to do with looks, misinformation and ignorance, and nothing to do with function.

[dieselpower]

It has everything to do with looks, misinformation and ignorance, and nothing to do with function.

yep...these are AWs

This is an Assault Weapon


This is an Assault Weapon


One of these is an Assault Weapon..The other is not.

[J.D.Allen]

Yep, as I remember G.I.'s killed a whole lotta Germans and Japanese with rifles that had no pistol grips...doesn't make that much difference if you ask me...

[Chunky_lover]

because if it has a barrel shroud, that makes it an assault weapon. thats the way our lawmakers think. Look up shoulder thing that goes up on youtube

[dieselpower]

because if it has a barrel shroud, that makes it an assault weapon. thats the way our lawmakers think. Look up shoulder thing that goes up on youtube

barrel shroud is NY
Black color is NJ
Flash Hider is CA

the reason these hunting ranch rifles are AWs in CA and would require registration is the flash hider.

the second pic the rifle has a thumbhole stock

[Chunky_lover]

guess you didnt look up the video
barrel shroud wasnt my point, its that most of these bs laws they have no idea why it makes sense to ban pistol grips, detachable mag etc. Criminals will always find a way around the law

the idiot in the video thinks a barrel shroud is a folding stock!

[Omega13device]

I've always found this informative for newbies or people who aren't into firearms:

[ke6guj]

You can only get there if you already answered that YES to having a detachable magazine. A BB makes the magazine NON-detachable.

this is not the first time that someone has not understand how a flowchart works. When you answer a question and the answers leads you down a path that bypasses other questions, it is done for a reason. If you don't get asked a question during your travel through the flowchart, that is becuase it doesn't pertain to you based on your answers.

[dieselpower]

Point is I see guys with Mini-14s and slip on Flash hiders all the time and they have no idea they manufactured an AW.