AR-15 pistol - question on usage

[Chatterbox]

One of the main objections to using an AR-15 pistol is that it's either necessary to shoot with forward pressure on the sling, or use the buffer tube as the ersatz stock. From looking at videos of people using the 2nd technique, it seems like they are forced to hike up their shoulder into this uncomfortable looking scrunch. Why is that?

[Gio]

Well too bad you are in LA, I am well versed in the "cheeking" method. Simply use the last 4"-5" of the RRA Buffer Tube on the cheek and still be able to control it and fire multiple shots. I do not like the sling method, just not my taste I guess. I do have a 1 point sling on mine but I do not use it in that manner. The hiking up the ARP onto the shoulder high is because the end of the buffer tube is not quite like a stock so you have to compensate for the lack of a stock. You do not necessarily need to hike up your shoulder in order to shoulder fire the ARP, I do not shoulder fire it because 90% of the time the CH hits my nose and it makes using my mbus really hard to focus with.

At 100 yards I have done multiple hits to a 6" steel plate just using mbus, I have not tried my ARP with the AFG yet but I do recommend that or a hand stop of some sort after using my friends ARP with a KAC Handstop

[Anchors]

I thought it wasn't kosher to use a buffer tube on a pistol as a stock?

[donking]

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Simply use the last 4"-5" of the RRA Buffer Tube on the cheek and still be able to control it and fire multiple shots
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At 100 yards I have done multiple hits to a 6" steel plate just using mbus,
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+1 to this method.

I shot Gio's pistol and another guy's 10.5" pistol this way. I was surprised at how easy and accurate it was to shoot this way.

[Gio]

I thought it wasn't kosher to use a buffer tube on a pistol as a stock?

While some will say not to shoulder it, it is not really breaking any rules by doing so. It is a pain, or it is to me to try and shoulder the buffer tube. It is a part that is needed for the ARP, but this has been covered in countless threads already.

There are a lot of threads on the subject of using the buffer tube on your shoulder. I guess it is up to the person that sees you using that way, I personally stick to cheeking the buffer tube for more control of the ARP.

[donking]

I thought it wasn't kosher to use a buffer tube on a pistol as a stock?

The buffer tube is round without the buttstock holes/rail. It only has a thin foam cover and is not considered a buttstock. AFAIK, the law doesn't say how one must hold a gun when shooting it. If that was the case, then bumpfire, hip-shooting, etc would be illegal.

[supermario]

I cheek the buffer tube towards the end of the tube and I can hit 100yd plates all day with irons. Everybody I've shot with, does the same and there is
No reason for the buffertube to touch your shoulder. And its very comfortable to shoot and accurate. It really isa too bad your not in SoCal becus there are a lot of AR pistol lovers down here.
Even my 10yr and 11yr old daughters can comfortably shoot my AR pistols well.
Just rest your cheek on the bufffer tube and not too close to the CH and don't worry about your shoulder and you will see the LIGHT!!

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I thought it wasn't kosher to use a buffer tube on a pistol as a stock?

It's not and I do. It helps to move the BUIS (if installed) a notch or two forward to prevent it from striking your nose when firing. As long as you don't attach anything designed to act as a shoulder stock to the pistol, it doesn't matter if some part of it touches your shoulder when you fire it.

Here is a copy of a letter issued by ATFE last year, indicating that it is not illegal to place a rubber crutch tip over the end of your AR pistol's buffer tube, which would seem to indicate conclusively that ATFE doesn't care if you shoulder your AR pistol's buffer tube.

[tjlayzer]

AR pistols buffer tube are too short to even use as a stock in my opinion. For my AR pistol, I sit at the bench, put some sandbags up and use the cheek method. Its not that bad once you start shooting. Just make sure to hold the mag well real good.

[Anchors]

Fair enough. Yeah I thought it was kind of silly that you couldn't shoulder it. I mean it isn't a stock and is just there so the gun will work. I wouldn't be able to shoulder one effectively anyway (arms are wayyyy too long).

[yasushi]

I would think using a modified rifle buffer tube with the stock mount cut off and capping it with a rubber cap would be the most comfortable way to shoot if you want to shoulder the gun. I have a GSE buffer tube and use the sling method with the AFG.

[wingman]

Try three simple up-grades and it will shoot like a dream

#1 Heavy buffer and spring upgrades - softer recoil
#2 Mag well wrap - Get good hold on front of lower
#3 Stock saddle - cheek rest
After this your 556 round will fill like your shooting 22cal
Now move up to 762-39 AR pistol you will love the power!!

[CHS]

Here is a copy of a letter issued by ATFE last year, indicating that it is not illegal to place a rubber crutch tip over the end of your AR pistol's buffer tube, which would seem to indicate conclusively that ATFE doesn't care if you shoulder your AR pistol's buffer tube.

UGH.. I wish people would stop bringing up that ridiculous letter, it's going to get someone thrown in jail one of these days.

If you actually READ the letter, the ATF says it's ok to put a crutch tip on the end of your buffer tube so that you can stand your pistol up in your safe.

Want to place bets on what they would say if you actually asked them if you could use it to make it more comfortable to shoulder your pistol?

[donking]

AR pistols buffer tube are too short to even use as a stock in my opinion. For my AR pistol, I sit at the bench, put some sandbags up and use the cheek method. Its not that bad once you start shooting. Just make sure to hold the mag well real good.

Do you have bags in front and rear or just the front?

[stormy_clothing]

you can always use a rifle length buffer tube