AR-10 is a bannned weapon?

[Epeescott]

Looking at the flowchart on this site, it says an Armalite AR-10 violates 12276(e).

12276(e) talks about the use of the term 'series'. The list doesn't say AR-180 series, it says the AR-180.

So I would see that to mean as long as I put a Bullet Button on my AR-10 and have only 10 round mags, I could legally bring it into California.

Anyone?

[Rukus]

If the lower says Armalite AR-10 then it is banned by name and cannot be brought instate.

[Josh3239]

No. Series refers to different models. In this particular case, any model Armalite AR-10 such as the "AR-10T" or the "AR-10A4". Any "Armalite AR-10" model is banned.

Who is the manufacturer of your AR-10, if it is an Armalite it is a no-go.

[Epeescott]

It is an Armalite AR-10, but the list by name is the Armalite AR-180, and doesn't say 'series'.

[Josh3239]

Kasle List/Appendix B, second page: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf

[ke6guj]

It is an Armalite AR-10, but the list by name is the Armalite AR-180, and doesn't say 'series'.

ignore AR180, it has nothing to do with the AR-10.

The Armalite AR-10 is specifically listed, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf

[Epeescott]

Ok, I got it - I hadn't read through the Category 2 stuff. I never got that in depth with it because it said AR-15 series rifles....I didn't think an AR-10 would be considered an AR-15 series.

Yup, no bringing it in.

When is Chuck Michel going to challenge this?

[Epeescott]

Thanks, guys!

[IrishPirate]

I'm not sure why people moving into the state aren't allowed to register their weapons. It seems like that would be a great case to bring against the state. anyone know if there is something pending on this specifically? i know there are a host of lawsuits against the AW ban for other reasons, but is there anything challenging people being able to register AW banned by name when they move here?

[bwiese]

Looking at the flowchart on this site, it says an Armalite AR-10 violates 12276(e).

12276(e) talks about the use of the term 'series'. The list doesn't say AR-180 series, it says the AR-180.

So I would see that to mean as long as I put a Bullet Button on my AR-10 and have only 10 round mags, I could legally bring it into California.

Dude, you're right but for the wrong reason. That's dangerous.
The mention of AR-180 is spurious and has nothing to do with this either.

The 12276(e)/(f) language about variations is not general, and was completely reshaped by the 2001 Harrott decision. Banning an AW by name only applies if it's been specifically and formally identified as a member of the AR or AK 'series' in the Kasler list, 11 CCR 5499. This list was frozen as of Jan 1 2007.

In this Kasler list of formally-identified AR and AK series, the Armalite AR10 is indeed listed as a specifically banned gun. Neither a BulletButton maglock, nor any characteristic features changes (i.e. taking off grips, etc.), is able render this gun into non-AW status.

[bwiese]

Ok, I got it - I hadn't read through the Category 2 stuff. I never got that in depth with it because it said AR-15 series rifles....I didn't think an AR-10 would be considered an AR-15 series.

Yup, no bringing it in.
When is Chuck Michel going to challenge this?

1. The original goal was to have 'everything that looks like an AR or AK banned. The AR10, under that logic,
was just a bigger, beefier AR15 rifle with identical architecture and larger caliber.

2. I would expect multiple AW challenges in the reasonably future from any of multiple organizations (NRA/CRPA
Foundation, CGF, SAF, etc.). The multipoint challenge on AB962 should give you an example.

The right things have to be done at the right time. We've already seen what early, unprepared challenges do
(Silviera, People v. James, etc.) -- and these are worse than no action at all.

[rob1105]

take your AR10 receiver and replace it and ad a bullet button to your new receiver and your good to go

[C.G.]

take your AR10 receiver and replace it and ad a bullet button to your new receiver and your good to go

Lack of information in the above post and could be confusing.
To clarify, replace your AR-10 lower receiver, which is listed, by another that is not listed (Noveske N6 or Aero), then you can put your AR-10 upper as long as you have a bullet button or go featureless.
Aero AR-10 compatible receivers can be bought here:

http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=603

or here:

http://www.762sass.com/product.php?p=145&cid=2&session=d8b48e4819f223f66cfc933928fb33cd

[Epeescott]

Lack of information in the above post and could be confusing.
To clarify, replace your AR-10 lower receiver, which is listed, by another that is not listed (Noveske N6 or Aero), then you can put your AR-10 upper as long as you have a bullet button or go featureless.
Aero AR-10 compatible receivers can be bought here:

http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=603

or here:
http://www.762sass.com/product.php?p...fc933928fb33cd

Thanks much for that link; I had thought there were compatibility issues between other lowers and Armalite uppers. I'll jump right on it!

[Josh3239]

There are compatibility issues between the DPMS style lowers and the Armalite style lowers. As long as you stick with Armalite style there should be no problem.