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  • Cokebottle
    Seņor Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    Originally posted by Bongos
    My point is, why would you want a rebuild kit if the original gun or magazine did not exist before the law went in effect. You say you want a re-build kit to make 10 rounders for the gun. But in fact you are not rebuilding anything, you are just manufacturing a 10rd magazine so that you can use.
    I have two 16rd XD9 rebuild kits.
    I have 6 AR15 30rd rebuild kits.

    They are for assembly and use outside of California, and disassembled before being brought back in.

    I used to have 12 AR15 rebuild kits, but I assembled 6 of them......




    ....after drilling and pinning them to limit their capacity to 10rds.


    The same can hold true for many handgun magazines. Springfield does not make 10rd magazines for the XDm pistols, but one can import a rebuild kit and epoxy a couple of steel plates to the inside of the body to block the follower at 10rds.
    - Rich

    Originally posted by dantodd
    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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    • akjunkie
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jan 2005
      • 3482

      Originally posted by Cokebottle
      I have two 16rd XD9 rebuild kits.
      I have 6 AR15 30rd rebuild kits.

      They are for assembly and use outside of California, and disassembled before being brought back in.

      I used to have 12 AR15 rebuild kits, but I assembled 6 of them......




      ....after drilling and pinning them to limit their capacity to 10rds.


      The same can hold true for many handgun magazines. Springfield does not make 10rd magazines for the XDm pistols, but one can import a rebuild kit and epoxy a couple of steel plates to the inside of the body to block the follower at 10rds.
      BINGO BINGO BINGO. That's it. Buy now, and leave DISassembled til U leave for State.

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      • lorax3
        Super Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jan 2009
        • 4633

        Originally posted by AJAX22
        Just because you were able to purchase a vehicle before you were 18 in ca doesn't mean it was/is legal to do so.
        Minors can buy and sell things like anyone else. However many contracts with minors are voidable BY THE MINOR.

        That basically means the minor can back out of the deal, without legal consequence. Doing the same action as an adult would put you on the wrong end of a breach of contract lawsuit.

        For example, let us say that I am 10 years old and offer you $100 for your stereo. We agree, all the elements of a contract are met. Offer, acceptance, consideration. I the 10 year old return later that day and want my money back. Turns out I needed that money for a new skateboard. You deny me my money, I sue you civilly. I win because I was a minor the contract is voidable by me.

        CA Family Code 6700
        Except as provided in Section 6701, a minor may make a
        contract in the same manner as an adult
        , subject to the power of
        disaffirmance under Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 6710), and
        subject to Part 1 (commencing with Section 300) of Division 3
        (validity of marriage).

        6701. A minor cannot do any of the following:
        (a) Give a delegation of power.
        (b) Make a contract relating to real property or any interest
        therein.
        (c) Make a contract relating to any personal property not in the
        immediate possession or control of the minor.
        Real property above means things like real estate and land.

        CA Family Code 6710
        Except as otherwise provided by statute, a contract of a
        minor may be disaffirmed by the minor before majority or within a
        reasonable time afterwards or, in case of the minor's death within
        that period, by the minor's heirs or personal representative
        Side note for those who are interested in contracts. Contracts for goods over $500 or services lasting more than 1 year are also voidable in court unless they are in writing. Get it in writing, or you may be out-of-luck trying to recover in court. Known as the statues of frauds.
        Last edited by lorax3; 11-04-2010, 10:45 PM.
        You think you know, but you have no idea.

        The information posted here is not legal advice. If you seek legal advice hire an attorney who is familiar with all the facts of your case.

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        • thedrse
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 29

          It doesn't. You owned it, it broke, you fixed it. The other parts broke, you fixed it again. Even if the entire mag has been rebuilt, it is still based on the origional mag you owned in the first place. With enough use, every part will eventually go bad/be damaged, and need to be replaced, including the body.

          It's still the same mag.
          "That's why I got TWO guns... one for each of ya."

          Melior felicis quam bonus

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          • glockwise2000
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2520

            Originally posted by Jpach
            That guy is wrong. Even an Embryo can own standard capacity magazines
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            (")_(") Copy and paste this bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination.!!!

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            • santamonica9
              In Memoriam
              • Mar 2009
              • 1475

              did you see this Calguner add?




              screw the FUD & those idiots -> good luck & god bless USA
              I mainly shoot .22lr, 9mm,45 acp, 357 & 38, 12G, 7.62x39, .308, .223/556, 7.62x54r, 300 win mag, 8x57
              God Bless USA

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              • Peter.Steele
                Calguns Addict
                • Oct 2010
                • 7351

                Here's another question I just thought of.

                My wife was born and raised in California. She owns high capacity magazines legally.

                Since California is a community property state, does that mean that any high capacity magazines that she owns are just as much legally my property as well?
                NRA Life Member

                No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                • PyroFox79
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 2603

                  Originally posted by SarcoBlaster
                  this
                  USMC '05-'09 - 2111 - Keeper Of The Cold Steel

                  To be American is to disobey.

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                  • luckystrike
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 4176

                    Originally posted by Peter.Steele
                    Here's another question I just thought of.

                    My wife was born and raised in California. She owns high capacity magazines legally.

                    Since California is a community property state, does that mean that any high capacity magazines that she owns are just as much legally my property as well?
                    negative, they are hers.

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                    • stormy_clothing
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 2809

                      To the op - look bs guy there is no way you owned a bunch of high caps when you were 10 - it makes for a cute post but I'll just say liar makes it easier than saying maybe yeah um ok it's possible.

                      There is no reason for you to have since you can't own a rifle at that age and barring proof of purchase your story is again BS and your just filling up another worthless thread on a mature gun oriented site.

                      Anyone with there head screwed on straight is going to say the same thing in real life whether it's a gun store owner, police officer or the prosecuting DA and finally the judge. That's the end result when you break the law and get caught not what you say here.

                      Having said all of that it's up to you to proceed knowing what could happen - any gun show will have single mag parts for sale and many gun shops for actually rebuilding a mag. For buying enough parts to essentially replace it all together you either better be law enforcement in CA or buy them online.

                      I have a few and mine came from a glock that was purchased before the ban, a couple people I knew that had guns given to them by there folks or loaned but werent old enough to register them actually bought the magazines as they weren't restricted just before the ban and kept the receipt.
                      Last edited by stormy_clothing; 11-05-2010, 1:38 PM.

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                      • ze12o
                        Junior Member
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 37

                        C'mon guys let's not get heated.
                        My mother gave birth to me at 18.5 ounces in 1987. .02oz of that 15oz was the high cap magazines.
                        Jk

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                        • Merc1138
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 19742

                          Originally posted by stormy_clothing
                          To the op - look bs guy there is no way you owned a bunch of high caps when you were 10 - it makes for a cute post but I'll just say liar makes it easier than saying maybe yeah um ok it's possible.

                          There is no reason for you to have since you can't own a rifle at that age and barring proof of purchase your story is again BS and your just filling up another worthless thread on a mature gun oriented site.

                          Anyone with there head screwed on straight is going to say the same thing in real life whether it's a gun store owner, police officer or the prosecuting DA and finally the judge. That's the end result when you break the law and get caught not what you say here.

                          Having said all of that it's up to you to proceed knowing what could happen - any gun show will have single mag parts for sale and many gun shops for actually rebuilding a mag. For buying enough parts to essentially replace it all together you either better be law enforcement in CA or buy them online.

                          I have a few and mine came from a glock that was purchased before the ban, a couple people I knew that had guns given to them by there folks or loaned but werent old enough to register them actually bought the magazines as they weren't restricted just before the ban and kept the receipt.
                          Why are you so adamant that children and their parents couldn't have been aware of the ban and simply made the purchases in advance?

                          With your poor reasoning, it's impossible for anyone to have paid for college with a fund started when they were a child, because they couldn't have possibly opened the account themselves

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                          • Phireglass
                            Member
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 296

                            Originally posted by stormy_clothing
                            To the op - look bs guy there is no way you owned a bunch of high caps when you were 10 - it makes for a cute post but I'll just say liar makes it easier than saying maybe yeah um ok it's possible.

                            There is no reason for you to have since you can't own a rifle at that age and barring proof of purchase your story is again BS and your just filling up another worthless thread on a mature gun oriented site.

                            Anyone with there head screwed on straight is going to say the same thing in real life whether it's a gun store owner, police officer or the prosecuting DA and finally the judge. That's the end result when you break the law and get caught not what you say here.

                            Having said all of that it's up to you to proceed knowing what could happen - any gun show will have single mag parts for sale and many gun shops for actually rebuilding a mag. For buying enough parts to essentially replace it all together you either better be law enforcement in CA or buy them online.

                            I have a few and mine came from a glock that was purchased before the ban, a couple people I knew that had guns given to them by there folks or loaned but werent old enough to register them actually bought the magazines as they weren't restricted just before the ban and kept the receipt.
                            You obviously didn't read the whole post as the magazines i purchased were throw aways, broken beyond repair except for a couple its not like they were new in box or anything. And i dont give a crap about your opinion if you think im lying. It sucks for you cause its true if you gonna hate then hate this is a internet forum not a argument with your girlfriend take your bs somewhere else.
                            Not Legal In California

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                            • orangeglo
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 5816

                              Originally posted by AJAX22
                              A decent argument could be made that you were unable to own property before you were 18, since you couldn't enter into contracts or assume ownership. (try to buy a car when your 16 without your parents permission... Doesn't work so well..

                              I was only 17 and 9 months or so when I bought all of mine.... Never volunteered my age and my cash was plenty green... Would be interesting to know the repercussions.
                              I bought a motorcycle when I was a kid no problems. Title in my name and everything. I didn't even have a license to drive it.

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                              • akjunkie
                                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 3482

                                Originally posted by Phireglass
                                You obviously didn't read the whole post as the magazines i purchased were throw aways, broken beyond repair except for a couple its not like they were new in box or anything. And i dont give a crap about your opinion if you think im lying. It sucks for you cause its true if you gonna hate then hate this is a internet forum not a argument with your girlfriend take your bs somewhere else.
                                Not to bust your chops kid. But i went ahead and Re-read your post and your original post doesnt stay anything about buying BROKEN mags.

                                Just says U bought "a bunch of mags" when U were 5, etc.

                                Well, if anyone ask your dad was/is a Millionaire and bought U $35+ Fully functional mags for you to toss around when U were 5 yrs old.

                                Enjoy what U got and use common sense.

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