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  • crash972
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 65

    ????? AR build??????

    Can I build a legal AR starting with a Bushmaster stripped lower?
    Placement is Power*****Bikes & Bullets
  • #2
    MrPlink
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2010
    • 12532

    As long as the lower is off list, and you follow the guidelines to avoid building an illegal assault weapon.
    Check the oll - aw guide links on the top of the page.
    The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

    disclaimer:
    everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice

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    • #3
      JagerTroop
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2007
      • 3922

      No! Bushmaster lowers are banned by name. Its not really legal to even possess a banned lower.

      The only bushy lower you can have ie a Carbon 15.
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      • #4
        crash972
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 65

        Very new to this who else make a very good lower?

        Thanks for you help.
        Placement is Power*****Bikes & Bullets

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        • #5
          cgseanp1
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 4651

          From my understanding, just about all OLL brands are fine. I think there are a few main companies that make most of the lowers for the other companies.
          Either way, here are some decent ones that I know of off top of my head:

          Kaiser (I think they changed their name)
          Noveske
          Aero Precision
          S&W
          Stag
          Spikes
          Rock River Arms
          CMMG
          Del Ton

          The list goes on and on. There are a few crappy companies out there, I think Vulcan and Hesse are ones to stay away from.

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          • #6
            crash972
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 65

            Thanks.

            Let the build begin
            Placement is Power*****Bikes & Bullets

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            • #7
              C_1
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2008
              • 1504

              Why Bushmaster? Like the person above of me said, Noveske, LMT, DD, BCM, S&W, Mega, Spikes, Stag, CMMG, JD, are all good. Stay away from DPMS, RRA, DSA, Vulcan, Hesse, any banned lower, or other weird or small manufacturers of lowers. Stick to the major or well known brands.

              Go into your local gun shop, and see what they got. Pick the one with the logo you like best. Maybe check in with us to see if the lower you want is good to go. But other than that, welcome to calguns, and you now have BRD

              Edit: So do you have anything else for your AR "build"? Here's a quick parts list of what you need.

              1. Lower
              2. BB
              3. LPK
              4. Stock & buffer assembly
              5. Complete upper w/ BCG, CH & handguards
              6. Rear sight

              Then with a few mags, a case of ammo, and a cleaning kit, you should be good.

              Edit: Before anybody else quotes me, we are talking about lowers in particular, and Im not saying that DPMS, RRA, or DSA is bad nor are any of them small or weird. I included them in the non desirables because a DPMS or RRA complete rifle is banned. Much easier to just avoid it as a whole. And as I stated in the other posts, I had problems with DSA receivers, which required a bit of extra work.
              Last edited by C_1; 10-30-2010, 8:32 PM.

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              • #8
                slomofo
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 1037

                Originally posted by crash972
                Very new to this who else make a very good lower?

                Thanks for you help.
                The lower doesn't really matter so long as it's Mil-Spec. I have multiple lowers made by different manufacturers and all of them are good. My personal favorites are the Tactical Innovations & LAR Grizzly. The Tac has some nice features (capture screw for rear take down pin, upper receiver tensioning screw, etc.). The LAR has the most durable and best looking finish I've come acrossed. I have a bunch of Noveske blem & RRA receivers too because they always go on sale for $89-$99, but their finish isn't that nice in my opinion; easily scratched.

                Originally posted by C_1
                Why Bushmaster? Like the person above of me said, Noveske, LMT, DD, BCM, S&W, Mega, Spikes, Stag, CMMG, JD, are all good. Stay away from DPMS, RRA, DSA, Vulcan, Hesse, any banned lower, or other weird or small manufacturers of lowers. Stick to the major or well known brands.

                Go into your local gun shop, and see what they got. Pick the one with the logo you like best. Maybe check in with us to see if the lower you want is good to go. But other than that, welcome to calguns, and you now have BRD

                Edit: So do you have anything else for your AR "build"? Here's a quick parts list of what you need.

                1. Lower
                2. BB
                3. LPK
                4. Stock & buffer assembly
                5. Complete upper w/ BCG, CH & handguards
                6. Rear sight

                Then with a few mags, a case of ammo, and a cleaning kit, you should be good.
                What's wrong with RRA? How would you compare a Rock River to a Noveske lower?
                Last edited by slomofo; 10-30-2010, 2:17 PM.

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                • #9
                  Dreaded Claymore
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 3231

                  Originally posted by C_1
                  Stay away from DPMS, RRA, DSA, Vulcan, Hesse, any banned lower, or other weird or small manufacturers of lowers. Stick to the major or well known brands.
                  Hang on, I just bought a Double Star lower, STAR-15. I'm not screwed am I?

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                  • #10
                    Cyc Wid It
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 4485

                    YMMV. Generally, aside from aesthetics, even those companies will make usable lowers. It's just the percentage of out-of-spec or broken ones is much much greater. We are talking about lowers after all, not BCG's/uppers.
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                    • #11
                      crash972
                      Junior Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 65

                      Originally posted by C_1
                      Why Bushmaster? Like the person above of me said, Noveske, LMT, DD, BCM, S&W, Mega, Spikes, Stag, CMMG, JD, are all good. Stay away from DPMS, RRA, DSA, Vulcan, Hesse, any banned lower, or other weird or small manufacturers of lowers. Stick to the major or well known brands.

                      Go into your local gun shop, and see what they got. Pick the one with the logo you like best. Maybe check in with us to see if the lower you want is good to go. But other than that, welcome to calguns, and you now have BRD

                      Edit: So do you have anything else for your AR "build"? Here's a quick parts list of what you need.

                      1. Lower
                      2. BB
                      3. LPK
                      4. Stock & buffer assembly
                      5. Complete upper w/ BCG, CH & handguards
                      6. Rear sight

                      Then with a few mags, a case of ammo, and a cleaning kit, you should be good.
                      I don't have any parts yet. Bushmaster seems like a popular brand name.
                      And a friend of mine has a pre ban one that I have shot & liked.
                      So I thought I'd start with the lower & them pick & chose what
                      was good.

                      Very open to any help

                      Thanks guys.
                      Placement is Power*****Bikes & Bullets

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                      • #12
                        JagerTroop
                        Veteran Member
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 3922

                        Originally posted by C_1
                        Why Bushmaster? Like the person above of me said, Noveske, LMT, DD, BCM, S&W, Mega, Spikes, Stag, CMMG, JD, are all good. Stay away from DPMS, RRA, DSA, Vulcan, Hesse, any banned lower, or other weird or small manufacturers of lowers. Stick to the major or well known brands.

                        Go into your local gun shop, and see what they got. Pick the one with the logo you like best. Maybe check in with us to see if the lower you want is good to go. But other than that, welcome to calguns, and you now have BRD

                        Edit: So do you have anything else for your AR "build"? Here's a quick parts list of what you need.

                        1. Lower
                        2. BB
                        3. LPK
                        4. Stock & buffer assembly
                        5. Complete upper w/ BCG, CH & handguards
                        6. Rear sight

                        Then with a few mags, a case of ammo, and a cleaning kit, you should be good.
                        I'm not exactly sure how you can call RRA, and DSA "weird and small manufacturers".
                        -A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.*
                        *participation may vary by location. Not valid in California.

                        Originally posted by ar15barrels
                        And yes, this IS gun school.
                        Welcome to class.
                        Originally posted by bdsmchs
                        There is life outside of Calguns
                        Originally posted by IrishPirate
                        stop looking to the internet to tell you everything you should do.....sack up and just do what you want!!!!!

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                        • #13
                          C_1
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 1504

                          Originally posted by slomofo
                          What's wrong with RRA? How would you compare a Rock River to a Noveske lower?
                          Nothing is wrong with RRA, its just in CA, a complete RRA rifle is banned, so its better just to avoid a RRA lower.


                          Originally posted by Dreaded Claymore
                          Hang on, I just bought a Double Star lower, STAR-15. I'm not screwed am I?
                          No, Double Star is not bad. Havent had any problems with the ones I've seen..


                          Originally posted by JagerTroop
                          I'm not exactly sure how you can call RRA, and DSA "weird and small manufacturers".
                          Haha.. Sorry bro I kinda jumbled them in one bunch. Dont really know of one word that will describe them all. But I explained why he shouldnt go with an RRA in the beginning of this post. And with all of the DSA receivers that I have messed with, it needed some extra love. BB had to be filed and fitted. Holes were tight and the finish chipped easily. Junk in some of the holes, etc etc.

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                          • #14
                            C_1
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1504

                            Originally posted by crash972
                            I don't have any parts yet. Bushmaster seems like a popular brand name.
                            And a friend of mine has a pre ban one that I have shot & liked.
                            So I thought I'd start with the lower & them pick & chose what
                            was good.

                            Very open to any help

                            Thanks guys.
                            If you like Bushmaster, and its not on the list, then thats fine. Ordering online, and getting it shipped to your FFL, is going to cost extra. You can get a lower of the same quality, most likely cheaper, at your local gun shop.

                            Most lowers are the same. Only a handful of manufacturers make them, and they get sent off to other companies, that put their name and logo on it; then refinish it.

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                            • #15
                              MrPlink
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 12532

                              Originally posted by JagerTroop
                              I'm not exactly sure how you can call RRA, and DSA "weird and small manufacturers".
                              +1
                              add DPMS to that list

                              I understand Vulcan, Hesse, and others made out of spec lowers, but thats not the case for the rest on that list.

                              And last I checked Noveske isnt exactly a huge company. So are boutique names ok provided they have a lot of hype behind them?
                              The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

                              disclaimer:
                              everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice

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