AR pistol DROS problem/ help...

[badicedog]

I wouldn't call them first. This is a question for a lawyer and nobody else. Contact CGF first.
If you call DOJ they might say you imported an illegal handgun and try to charge you with something.

If this was me I would NLIP and vol reg and if they ask questions tell them to talk to your lawyer. I doubt you'll get any questions but the DOJ's S.O.P. is intimidation, half truths, out right lies, and trumped up charges.

Thanks for the head's up. I'll contact CGF first.

[badicedog]

A little late for that, you've already mention the manufacture in your other post.

I haven't flamed anyone, you are the one making assumption. If you don't have any helpful info, please don't post.

[IsaacGlass]

I haven't flamed anyone, you are the one making assumption. If you don't have any helpful info, please don't post.

I was talking about mention the manufacture by name, didnt mention about you flaming them. You want me to stop posting buy CGN. Otherwise dont post in a public forum if you dont like other people replies.

[NeoWeird]

You want me to stop posting buy CGN. Otherwise dont post in a public forum if you dont like other people replies.

Spoken with the true heart of CG.

I remember when CG wasn't Arfcom...

[Nathan Krynn]

As a manufacturer I can tell you it is a no no to destroy a lower and remake that serial number. Just like with suppressors.

When there is a defect you can have the person send directly to the manufacturer with a copy of their drivers license. (UPS or FEDEX but not USPS you need a permit to send though USPS) Then you send a new firearm to the address on the license. That is the way it is supposed to be done. This is federal law but am unsure how CA DOJ handles warranty replacements, they have to have something worked out as it does happen.

[ke6guj]

As a manufacturer I can tell you it is a no no to destroy a lower and remake that serial number. Just like with suppressors.
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Nathan, you might want to check with ATF on that. AFAIK, a manufacturer can destroy a receiver and reuse that serial number. I've been told that companies like Colt and Bushmaster have done that when replacing AW lowers.

And the suppressor comparision may not be a good one.

There is this letter that says that it is ok to destroy and re-use, http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/atf_letter48.txt . Yes, it is from 1999, and the new "Gem-tax" rules have changed this slightly.

And the NFA FAQ still says that a homebuilder can reuse the same serial number, but still has to file a new Form 1 (but doesnt have to pay the $200 tax).

The registrant may use the same serial number that appeared on the damaged tube.

[SJgunguy24]

Nathan, you might want to check with ATF on that. AFAIK, a manufacturer can destroy a receiver and reuse that serial number. I've been told that companies like Colt and Bushmaster have done that when replacing AW lowers.

I've heard of that also, I know Glock has replaced frames before, all they do is pop the SN plates out and install those in new frames and file a form with the BATFE.
In the OP's case I'd contact CGF first before calling the DOJ.

[Nathan Krynn]

You might be able to reuse serial numbers but we do not. This could be us airing on the side of caution though. I thought we didn't do it due to the suppressor issues.

It is standard practice though for manufacturers to have people send guns back to them and send replacements with new serial numbers back to their house and not through a FFL.

[ke6guj]

It is standard practice though for manufacturers to have people send guns back to them and send replacements with new serial numbers back to their house and not through a FFL.

right, because federal law specifically allows for it. But with CA law not listing an exemption that a replacement firearm can be sent directly back to the customer, many/most FFLs will ship the replacement firearm to an FFL to have it "reDROSed" to the customer. But, at that point, does the roster still apply if the replacement handgun is an off-roster handgun? I assume that similiar concerns happen in states like IL, NY, and NJ, where there are strict handgun regulations. So, if the manufacturer replaces the firearm with one with the same serial number, issues about the "registered serial number" are minimized for the customer.

[bwiese]

As a manufacturer I can tell you it is a no no to destroy a lower and remake that serial number. Just like with suppressors.

Not true. Colt has done this before, esp in relation to the Fed AW ban and a blown lower receiver so the owner's gun could still retain 'pre-ban' status. And they wouldn't do it without BATF approval.

They'd check in the old busted receiver, destroy it, log it in their books as destroyed, and then they can reissue a new receiver with that SN. The goal is to keep the books straigh, be traceable and have only one gun of a given make/model with one serial# out in circulation.

[NeoWeird]

And just to cover the bases Glock does not re-issue serial numbers. The entire gun is destroyed and the serial number is re-stamped with a "1" in front of it. All Glock serials, except some special editions and contract runs, follow the format of two or three letters followed by three numbers (originally it was two letters, but when ZZ999 was made it flipped to AAA001). If frame ABC123 were remade, it would become 1ABC123. If you find a frame with a number in front of it, it denotes to you and Glock that the frame was remade at one point in it's life.

It should also be noted that this is NOT legally required of them, but it is their companies practice. I think the rumor of the "pop the plate out" came from someone, probably a dealer, explaining in layman's terms that a Glock could be re-made and with relative ease and people ran with it as 100% fact. I've never found someone who had an identical number re-issued but I've found plenty to confirm the "1" pre-fix (including myself).