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  • #16
    clarkj818
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 16

    How and where do I I determine if a specific national forest allows them. I love guns of all types, but I do not want to go too jail.

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    • #17
      G-forceJunkie
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2010
      • 6180

      I don't believe there is any restriction on where you (the registered owner) can shoot it. There is a portion of 12280 that limits where you can lend the rifle out. As I read it, and I'll past it below, is if you want to lend the RAW to someone, you have to remain in the presence of them and the RAW, they have to be over 18 and legal to poses firearms, and you have to be at a shooting range or a "exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency..." So, you can't let your son or friend shoot your RAW unless your at a range, but it believe there is no restriction on you shooting it anywhere it is legal to poses it. The only other RAW issue is transportation, It has to be in a locked case like a handgun.

      12280 says:

      (k) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to: (1) A person who lawfully possesses and has registered an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle pursuant to this chapter who lends that assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle to another if all the following apply: (A) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent is 18 years of age or over and is not in a class of persons prohibited from possessing firearms by virtue of Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code. (B) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifleis lent remains in the presence of the registered possessor of the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle. (C) The assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is possessed at any of the following locations: (i) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range. (ii) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets. (iii) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
      Originally posted by clarkj818
      Yes I am under the impression that shooting a RAW is limited by location! The registration document seems to limit it to public/private ranges

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      • #18
        ke6guj
        Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Nov 2003
        • 23725

        http://www.blm.gov/ca/dir/pdfs/2003/im/CAIM2003-049.pdf is the document that shows that you have specific permission to possess RAWs on BLM land. Without it, it would be illegal to possess a RAW on BLM land, let alone shoot it. And even though you can possess and shoot a RAW on BLM land under the 12285(c)(6) exemption, you can't lend it to anyone while you are there. There is no "public place with specified permission" exemption to 12280(k).

        I do not know if the national forest areas have permitted possession of a RAW there.
        Jack



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        • #19
          Sniper3142
          Veteran Member
          • May 2004
          • 2579

          You can swap out the lower receiver for one that isn't listed (OLL - Off List Lower).

          BUT...

          You will have to reconfigure your rifles to either be Featureless (no Assault Weapon Features) or install a Magazine Lock and only use magazines that hold 10 rounds or less.

          AR15 type rifles that aren't RAWs (Registered Assault Weapons) have to either have a fixed magazine or no AW features. A featureless build will allow you to continue to use any magazines that hold more than 10 rounds (AKA - Large Capacity Magazines).
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          • #20
            PyroFox79
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 2603

            Isn't in the law that you can inherit the RAW and stil keep its RAW status. But it has to be reported to the DOJ or something. Assuming california remains retarded and this law is still around when you die then this could be a possiblility.
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            • #21
              G-forceJunkie
              Calguns Addict
              • Jul 2010
              • 6180

              NO. It has to be destroyed, or sold to a FFL or moved out of California.
              Originally posted by PyroFox79
              Isn't in the law that you can inherit the RAW and stil keep its RAW status. But it has to be reported to the DOJ or something. Assuming california remains retarded and this law is still around when you die then this could be a possiblility.

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              • #22
                Veggie
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 2485

                Originally posted by clarkj818
                I would like to be able to shoot these things someplace other than the range. Also, I would like my boys to have them once I expire!
                Keep them how they are for now. When your read to give them to your kids just slap on a new lower, BB and a 10rd mag. And give them to them.

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                • #23
                  dieselpower
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 11471

                  For $150 per firearm (Cost + DROS + Tax + fees) you can get two lowers, swap all the hardware and stick the stripped RAW lowers in your attic and forget about them.

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                  • #24
                    xXBigJoeXx
                    Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 287

                    Originally posted by ke6guj
                    http://www.blm.gov/ca/dir/pdfs/2003/im/CAIM2003-049.pdf is the document that shows that you have specific permission to possess RAWs on BLM land. Without it, it would be illegal to possess a RAW on BLM land, let alone shoot it. And even though you can possess and shoot a RAW on BLM land under the 12285(c)(6) exemption, you can't lend it to anyone while you are there. There is no "public place with specified permission" exemption to 12280(k).

                    I do not know if the national forest areas have permitted possession of a RAW there.
                    Wait, so am I understanding that if myself and a buddy of mine head out to a BLM area so he can shoot his RAW AK-74, he can not let me shoot it too??
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                    • #25
                      G-forceJunkie
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 6180

                      Correct.
                      Originally posted by xXBigJoeXx
                      Wait, so am I understanding that if myself and a buddy of mine head out to a BLM area so he can shoot his RAW AK-74, he can not let me shoot it too??

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                      • #26
                        Lower86
                        Member
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 102

                        you can shoot in national forests. it's public land and firearms are authorized by the forestry service. you have to be 150 yds from any structure, to include roads, or any other area specifically prohibiting the use of firearms (campgrounds, etc) call the local ranger station before hand and they can give any further details and most likely recommend popular shooting areas (clear of commmon hiking trails, camps, etc)
                        Last edited by Lower86; 10-15-2010, 12:07 AM.

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