AR15, bullet buttons and 3gun events??

[joelogic]

There really is no need to reinvent the wheel or fight with your gear. Try a gun with a MMG, grip wrap, or exile grip and see if you can like it. Granted a pistol grip is the best but we make do with what we have. I do pretty well with the solar tactical grip wrap.

If all else fails run the gpik on your middle finger.

[PistolS&W]

Pala range has a monthly 3-gun event. You can find more info here.

http://www.lineadefuego.info

One thing you should note is that they shoot 10" plates out to 375Y so make sure your KelTec can perform to that accuracy standard.



One of the GPik guys will have to chime in but when I ran a BB for a few months, I taped a plastic screw to the bottom of my 10-rd mags for reloading and to accomodate pistol transitions.

thanks for the info and as far as the rifle goes its as accurate as any AR. its a sub 1 moa gun so accuraccy is not an issue 1/9 twist 16'' barrel shoots wlamart federal 55gr .223 at 2930 fps. when relaxed i was taking 2 liter bottles at 350 yrds with the factory ghost ring iron sights pretty regularly.

[Exile Machine]

I've thought about featureless but I just can't get used to the monsterman grip or solar tactical wing thing.

Both of those deny the use of the opposable thumb. If you want to run an AR-15 featureless, there's only one CA compliance product currently in production that lets you wrap your hand around the grip and use finger-detachable 30 round mags:


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[Booshanky]

I can tell you that switching mags with a BB as compared to standard release is THREE TIME LONGER when done by a pro.
No matter what you use to push the button, you have to change hands which increases potential time and miscues.

Not true! I've got one of those finger stylus things for PDA's that you slip on over your firing hand middle finger. Shoot with the index, release mags with the middle.

It's certainly not as fast as using a real mag release, but it's not THAT bad either.


All that being said, I do wish I had an upper I could remove the flasher hider from so that I could go featureless if I wanted.

[SuperSet]

thanks for the info and as far as the rifle goes its as accurate as any AR. its a sub 1 moa gun so accuraccy is not an issue 1/9 twist 16'' barrel shoots wlamart federal 55gr .223 at 2930 fps. when relaxed i was taking 2 liter bottles at 350 yrds with the factory ghost ring iron sights pretty regularly.

Sounds like you're all set then so get the rest of your gear together and head out there! They have a match coming up next Sunday 12 Sep 2010. Take a look at AR15Barrel's sticky thread about what you need to get started shooting action matches and you're all set. I'm copying the last email from the match director to provide more info --

Folks,

If you are not going to Nationals, why not head to San Diego for a 3 gun match?

Pala will be hosting our monthly 3 Gun on Sunday, Sept. 12th, 2010, the 2nd Sunday of the month. We will be shooting 5 multi-gun stages during the match. Cost will be $25 for members and $35 for non-LDF members. Sign up will start around 0830 hours and the match will start at 0900 hours.

I would suggest brining 150 rounds of rifle ammo, 125 rounds of pistol ammo, 125 rounds of #7-8 shot, 10-15 shotgun slug and 5-10 #4 buck or 00 buck to the match. We shoot a number of Texas Stars and those nasty MGM spinners with either shotgun or pistol or both, so bring some extra pistol ammo. If they are to be shot with the shotgun, the 00 buck works well on them.

Here is a link for directions to the range.

http://www.lineadefuego.info/matches/ncsa.php

We use International Multi-Gun Association rules for our 3 gun match. Here is a link for Rocky Mt. 3-Gun rules, which are the same ones we use.

http://www.rm3g.com/New%20Rules-2010.pdf

Once the match is completed and scored, you can find the match scores and previous match scores at the LDF website listed below;

http://www.lineadefuego.info/scores/

LMK if you have any questions. We hope to see you at the range.

Jeff G.

[PistolS&W]

Sounds like you're all set then so get the rest of your gear together and head out there! They have a match coming up next Sunday 12 Sep 2010. Take a look at AR15Barrel's sticky thread about what you need to get started shooting action matches and you're all set. I'm copying the last email from the match director to provide more info --

Folks,

If you are not going to Nationals, why not head to San Diego for a 3 gun match?

Pala will be hosting our monthly 3 Gun on Sunday, Sept. 12th, 2010, the 2nd Sunday of the month. We will be shooting 5 multi-gun stages during the match. Cost will be $25 for members and $35 for non-LDF members. Sign up will start around 0830 hours and the match will start at 0900 hours.

I would suggest brining 150 rounds of rifle ammo, 125 rounds of pistol ammo, 125 rounds of #7-8 shot, 10-15 shotgun slug and 5-10 #4 buck or 00 buck to the match. We shoot a number of Texas Stars and those nasty MGM spinners with either shotgun or pistol or both, so bring some extra pistol ammo. If they are to be shot with the shotgun, the 00 buck works well on them.

Here is a link for directions to the range.

http://www.lineadefuego.info/matches/ncsa.php

We use International Multi-Gun Association rules for our 3 gun match. Here is a link for Rocky Mt. 3-Gun rules, which are the same ones we use.

http://www.rm3g.com/New%20Rules-2010.pdf

Once the match is completed and scored, you can find the match scores and previous match scores at the LDF website listed below;

http://www.lineadefuego.info/scores/

LMK if you have any questions. We hope to see you at the range.

Jeff G.

right on man hey i see they have pistol comp's too. is there going to be one next saturday despite it being sept 11th? i think id rather start there first. ammo's cheaper and i think id be more competetive there. so if i like the operation they run then maybe next month ill do the 3-gun.

[SuperSet]

Dunno about the pistol as I only do 3-gun but I see it on their Scores calendar so it's a good bet they will have the match. Shooting pistol competition first is a good idea to learn the range commands, safety protocol and logistics.

[PistolS&W]

Dunno about the pistol as I only do 3-gun but I see it on their Scores calendar so it's a good bet they will have the match. Shooting pistol competition first is a good idea to learn the range commands, safety protocol and logistics.

yea i agree. also whats the standard on the 30 rnd mags for 3 gun? those get checked as preban in any way? do guys really all have to scrounge to find preban mags to be competetive only to kick them in the dirt constently?

[SuperSet]

No, there's not a pre-ban checkpoint. It's up to the individual to remain compliant. And don't forget that if you don't have any with you, it's legal to borrow from others while you're at the match.

PS. To the original topic thread, Pala does have several shooters in Tac-10 class so anyone wanting to use that config will be in good company.

[JaeOne3345]

I just switched to a solar tac grip and the lack of thumb "issue" not an issue.

[PistolS&W]

thats a big 10-4

[Joe788]

Just curious: If somebody in California with no registered assault weapons, wanted to shoot 3 gun with a regular off the shelf M4 carbine with 30 round detachable mags, what would it take? 07FFL + ??? = profit? Or is it simply impossible?

[AIMSMALL]

yea i agree. also whats the standard on the 30 rnd mags for 3 gun? those get checked as preban in any way? do guys really all have to scrounge to find preban mags to be competetive only to kick them in the dirt constently?

You can't "scrounge" to find preban mags, if you owned 30 round mags before the ban then those are preban, if you didn't own any then you are SOL.

It is not illegal to own hi-caps, the problem is legally obtaining them post ban is difficult. Read this link for more information.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/DOJ-large-cap-magazines-2005-11-10.pdf

[PistolS&W]

You can't "scrounge" to find preban mags, if you owned 30 round mags before the ban then those are preban, if you didn't own any then you are SOL.

It is not illegal to own hi-caps, the problem is legally obtaining them post ban is difficult. Read this link for more information.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/DOJ...2005-11-10.pdf

so purchasing mags from another party that are preban is illegal? and how can you tell the difference? i wouldnt imagine the preban magazines say "preban" on them.

I read through that link and maybe i missed it but i didnt see anything about obtaining post ban hi-capacity magazines legally. are you bassically saying if some one did some how get ahold of 30rnd magazines then they are now legal? kinda like how if a cuban touches american soil hes legally an american?

[AIMSMALL]

It is impossible to enforce "preban" and "postban" mags because as the letter from DOJ states you are allowed to replace all the parts of your "preban" mags with new parts from newly mfg mags.

It is not illegal to own a hi-cap mag but it is illegal to sell them in CA or import them into CA so if you were to buy one from someone here that person would have commited a crime, if you were to import one to CA you would have commited a crime.

I have heard stories of guys buying "CA compliant hi-caps" that were not blocked to ten rounds correctly and would accept an 11th round. In this case, the seller would be guilty of exporting a hi-cap into CA or selling a hi-cap in CA but the buyer would not be guilty of any crime and would now legally posses a hi-cap mag as it is not illegal to buy a hi-cap in CA.

here's another link that explains more. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=124709
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