sks for TEOTWAWKI?

[luckystrike]

id use the pistol for indoor use. less noise, recoil, flash as well as being way more maneurverable around corners and tight rooms than my saiga. i would have a .40 cal semiauto handgun for self defense and varmint hunting, and she has her .22 cal revolver for small game hunting and last resort defense.

ive got all sorts of knives in my kit two multitools, a k-bar, a straight blade utility knife with 100 replacement blades, a small 2in blade for concealment type situations, and i picked up a bunch of $1 folding 3in knives from wally world for barter type situations. i figure the more sharp things i have with me, the better off i am plus they arent heavy in the least

good idea with the 1$ knives. I only have 2 knives, both fixedblade-USMC KaBar and S&W M9 bayo.

[Moress]

Good idea on the barter items. Just be sure your comfortable carrying all that stuff between the two of you, which it looks like you are. You may want to Consider having her carrying more then just the bareessentials and a .22 sidearm. God forbid, but if you go down and she can't retrieve your equipment, she needs to be able to make it on her own. Maybe a 9mm or .357 that she can shoot 38s out of? The most important thing is that your both comfortable with the equipment on your backs, the gun in your hands and what's in your skull

[paul0660]

windex is water based

I guess you were too upset at my refutation of your chemistry to read all of my post, and you shouldn't be. You are just passing along old wife's tale
for shooters #99.

Nothing "neutralizes" salts. Windex, water, spit, beer, Evian, etc. will "wash out" salt from a barrel for the same reason moist air and corrosive primer residue cause rust........they like each other. Clean water (or whatever) goes in one end, slightly salty liquid comes out the other. Pretty simple. By all means use what you want to achieve the identical result, but you know know that whatever is in Windex OTHER than water does no more good than just water, and is inferior to hot water, because hot water will evaporate quickly.

For that reason, it is better to wait until one gets home, or do a proper field cleaning with boiling water, than to spray Windex about at the range. (Which luckystrike did NOT say he does, but many people do). Corrosive residue (salt) + moisture makes rust. Leaving the gun uncleaned for days, or just being out in rain or fog is going to cause some rust to form, after shooting corrosive ammo. Why accelerate the process by introducing the second part of the equation, moisture, at the range, sooner and in larger amounts, than one needs to?

[Tre(y)13]

as comfortable as we could be living out of our packs lol. in truth, i hope that we never end up having to play this little hypothetical situation out for real. id like to get old with the woman in some mountain town, but at the rate this world is headed were going to hit some very serious bumps along the road.
i like the idea of having the .22 revolver a) for reliablity b) for the small game. it would be nice to be able to shoot a squirrel, rabbit, 'coon, etc without obliterating the meat! will a 9mm give me the same effect similar to the .22? obivously its going to pack a bigger punch, but how does it affect the small game?

[Moress]

I can't say how bad a 9mm will maul your everyday squirel since I don't like to shoot at anything that's alive (call me a softie :P ), but I can imagtine there won't be much meat left if any at all. What I was suggesting though was give her a more powerful sidearm for self defense, but keep the .22 for small game hunting. That revolver and a brick of .22s shouldn't take up muc room in your packs, but then again I hate giving the advice of "just take more" because eventually you'll end up with more then you can handle. If having both a 9mm and a .22 is to much then take the .22 because even a well placed .22 can stop an attacker who's ontop of you trying to choke the life out of you.

[Scott Connors]

Doesn't seem as if anybody has read S. M. Stirling's novels about The Change (starting with Dies the Fire. It starts out with the sudden failure of electronics, internal combustion engines--and firearms, because it appears that someone--aliens, God (or gods), whatever--decided we were screwing up and hit the reset button (there's a scientific explanation given that I don't follow, but hey! it's a novel. Turns out that the best prepared people are bow hunters and the Society for Creative Anachronism. It's probably the best TEOWAWKI novel that I've read. There's lots of good stuff about how various groups--a mixture of SCA type and gangbangers, a pseudo-Celtic clan, a group that's revived heavy cavalry tactics and are damn close to the Riders of Rohan, the new Dakota nation, an Aesirtru -neo Viking community, even an England that's brought back feudalism--adapt to the new conditions. Good reads.

[metalliman545]

Im betting a good little 25 mile forced march would change some minds around here. Nothing like it to make you realize that every little ounce counts.

Priority should go to water, then necessities like 1st aid, navigation, commo, etc. When you have all of the absolutely vital things accounted for then decide how much ammo you can carry. Remember the standard basic load for an army infantryman is still 180 rounds. Ask a SAW gunner about how he feels carrying 400+ rounds.

hooah. whats the number one thing you need for escape and evasion? Water/food. im pretty sure most of the people dont really know what its like to hump around all day in an IBA or IOTV with assualt pack or ruck loaded past combat load with about a gallon of water. and standard load is 210, i carry 300.

[luckystrike]

refutation of your chemistry

oh hardy ****** har you really hit the nail on the head on that one.
should have guessed because of your educated wording.

pay attention to what the OP is saying. at no point will he be able "to go home and boil water for a propper cleaning"

but if you want to follow that...if any bad situations come up and I run into a gentleman with a sauce pan and stove top hanging from a pack and draggin a can of propane ill be sure to give you a wave and maybe do some bartering.

[luckystrike]

as comfortable as we could be living out of our packs lol. in truth, i hope that we never end up having to play this little hypothetical situation out for real. id like to get old with the woman in some mountain town, but at the rate this world is headed were going to hit some very serious bumps along the road.
i like the idea of having the .22 revolver a) for reliablity b) for the small game. it would be nice to be able to shoot a squirrel, rabbit, 'coon, etc without obliterating the meat! will a 9mm give me the same effect similar to the .22? obivously its going to pack a bigger punch, but how does it affect the small game?

eh the squrell meat wouldnt do too well with a 9mm even.
my personal all-around favorite cal is .40 s&w, not for rodents or rabbits just defense from man & beast. but then again I wouldnt expect to get close enough to bigger or big game to use a pistol.
theres no prefect round, it just depends on what suits your purpose the best.