10 rd Mag holds 11...Now what?

[FS00008]

Boogyman,

this is all available on the Calguns wiki also. It's not that we've thought it through, it's thanks to websites like this that law abiding citizens like us can bear our horrible state. They arm all of us with the knowledge to exercise our rights. Beware of FFLs, unless it's an FFL who spends time on CGN reading about what the status of the law is, they usually are completely misinformed (Even on ATF regs, I know an FFL who still thinks it's legal to sell stripped lowers to someone <21 years old and doesn't believe me even when I point it out to him in the ATF manual that it's not), and not just on the law. Many of them know jack about guns too.

[MrPlink]

You guys really thought this through. Thank you for arming me with some knowledge.

just pass it on, the more informed shooters there are, the stronger we become in maintaining what few rights we do have left, and one day restore our full rights as AMERICAN citizens.

[CSACANNONEER]

But your honor it was only one extra round....

Sir, I only got your daughter a little bit pregnant.

Maybe the AG has the ATF writing "memos" for them...?

Justin

I don't know of any memos of FUD that ATF has released. Maybe you mean Ca DOJ BOF? ATF&E is Federal and normally pretty good at what they do.

[FS00008]

CSACANNONEER,

ATF&E has done those "Opinion" letters that have put many a business under. I have the utmost contempt for them also.

[CSACANNONEER]

CSACANNONEER,

ATF&E has done those "Opinion" letters that have put many a business under. I have the utmost contempt for them also.

Yes but, they will stand behind their opinions. BOF just passes the buck to 58 DAs.

[ak47762]

FUD from the attorney general then.
Read the actual PC, it does not saying ANYTHING about buying.

this is the PC word for word, look it up if you dont believe me.


"12020 (a)(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes
to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or
offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-
capacity magazine."

show me where it says you cant buy one? Nothing mentioned about finding one either.

I understand people here are just trying to keep other folks from getting in trouble, and I applaud all efforts to help our fellow shooters in this state and its convoluted laws, but lets make sure we know what we are talking about before spreading misinformation.

In the end, if you are comfortable yourself with a 10 plus mag, then dont have one!

But if you know the law and you know your rights, you are A-Ok.

(p.s. dont ever talk to cops :b )

"imports into the state is buying from out of state.."


just sayin' but if he says that he found it, or w.e perfectly legal. I will probably print out all this legal **** when i start going shooting soon lol

[CenterX]

This seems like a set-up post to watch the psn match start and grow to oblique absurdity.

Read the code. Live your life in whatever way it needs to be lived for survival. Cause if ya don't survive then ya aint got a life.

Ever seen someone piss up a rope?
Just askn'.

[ak47762]

This seems like a set-up post to watch the psn match start and grow to oblique absurdity.

Read the code. Live your life in whatever way it needs to be lived for survival. Cause if ya don't survive then ya aint got a life.

Ever seen someone piss up a rope?
Just askn'.

My mind is full of fuk


It is clear actually, you can own, use 30rd mags aslong not in Centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine to make it compliant...

But the REAL question is how would one obtain one/ if he had one etc.

In OPs case he has lawfully acquired a magazine, aslong as it was bought IN STATE. If it was out of state then it is considered importing into state via PC 12276.1 (a)

[FS00008]

Yes, and in regards to that specific part of the code. I don't know and advise the OP to STFU now. For the purposes of this thread, you bought it at Cinco Grande up the street.

CSA, you're right. I still have the utmost contempt for them.

[Roccobro]

CSA- CA DOJ does fit the bill better for my comment. Thanks.

Justin

[Cali-Shooter]

Don't insert it into a fixed magazine rifle and legally you are fine. Possession of a high cap is not illegal, but I would exchange it for a 10 rounder if you do not have a featureless rifle to use it with.

Amen to this. Riflegear knows best.

[Moto4Fun]

Good posts! It is good to read the FUD because it shows what the incorrect knowledge is. I have been enlightened.

I don't own a featureless build nor a RAW. The 11 round magazine is a true 10 round (flush mount) magazine. I really don't think it would ever draw scrutiny because it looks like a 10 rounder. I don't know that a cop (even a total a-hole) would try to jam additional rounds into the mag to catch me on a technicality. But I don't foresee ever being in the presence of a cop with my rifle.

I bought the mag from a local gun store and range that deals with a lot of LEOs. It is not all that OLL friendly. I will likely take it by there and see what they will do. It will at least give me an opportunity to quiz them on their knowledge of the laws.

[Roccobro]

Maybe a nickel or thick washer on the floor plate will limit the travel enough for the last round to not make it in if all else fails.

Justin

[dieselpower]

Would that be the same if my, lets say magpul 10/30's just suddenly accepted 30 rounds out of nowhere wink wink?

Seems like any Joe off the street can buy a 30 round re-build kit, assemble it, and say he found it or an out of state online shop sent it to him like that on accident.

Yes...there is no reason to wink wink...its legal

It is not against the law to BUY or possess a high cap.

If I told you I was selling you a 10/30 and you bought it...took it home and found out I sold you a 30rd magazine...you did NOTHING WRONG OR ILLEGAL! I did.

You can now keep that magazine...LEGALLY. It (the magazine) is illegal per se under the law, but you did not break a law.

The OP now has a high capacity magazine he can only use in a featureless build.

[dieselpower]

Good posts! It is good to read the FUD because it shows what the incorrect knowledge is. I have been enlightened.

I don't own a featureless build nor a RAW. The 11 round magazine is a true 10 round (flush mount) magazine. I really don't think it would ever draw scrutiny because it looks like a 10 rounder. I don't know that a cop (even a total a-hole) would try to jam additional rounds into the mag to catch me on a technicality. But I don't foresee ever being in the presence of a cop with my rifle.

I bought the mag from a local gun store and range that deals with a lot of LEOs. It is not all that OLL friendly. I will likely take it by there and see what they will do. It will at least give me an opportunity to quiz them on their knowledge of the laws.

You do not understand the way life works....STOP Think....

An LEO isnt going to jam or count anything. He is going to take your rifle and submit it to a tech who will inspect it...and you bet your sweat butt that tech is going to load the magazine to 11 and list the rifle as an AW. Fixed magazine holding more then 10.

The LEO could be taking your rifle for any number of reasons...you yelled at your neighbor, who then called the police...lied and said you threated him....your girlfriend gets pissed and screams..nieghbors calls the cops...the LEO thinks Domestic and takes all the guns....You are out to dinner and some punk breaks into your house...LEO busts him in the house and takes all the guns he finds in your house...for safety.....

I don't care what the magazine looks like....its a HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE If you screw up you are a felon for LIFE...don't be that guy.

EDIT----becareful what you do with that magazine now. Its a HIGH CAP and YOU are now subject to high-cap laws. if you offer it for sale, sell it or give it to someone not authorized...you have committed a felon...not them.