Recently heard at the DelMar Gun show 4/15

[Corbin Dallas]

Tisk tisk CWS salesman...

Overheard you answer a potential customer question incorrectly.


Customer: Can I use a 30 round magazine here in Commifornia?

CWS: Yes, as long as you don't have any "EVIL" features...



WRONG!!!!!!!!!

10 round only buddy, unless you owned the mag previous to 2000 and you can PROVE it!!

Don't tell people it's legal, they look up to company's like CWS for the proper info (with they shouldn't anyways)

Sad, sad, sad....

[luvtolean]

The question was if he could use.

That was most certainly a correct answer.

And you don't need "proof" of any kind.

Possession of high caps is not against the law. Period.


Research your stuff before attempting to correct people who have done their own homework.

[timmy8151]

M4inCA.. you're the one who is WRONG. CWS did not give out any false information.

luvtolean pretty much summed it up.

[Corbin Dallas]

Really, possession of High Cap magazines is not against the law....

Could you show that too me? I'd love to see the CA DOJ law that says high capacity magazines are lawful.

So, I can run brand new 30 round magazines that I bought in Arizona last week, is that right?

[Corbin Dallas]

Maybe you guys should go back and do some homework.

Effective January 1, 2000, SB 23 generally prohibits, the manufacture, import, sale, giving or lending of large capacity magazines (defined as any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but does not include .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding devices).

Enforcement relative to the illegal possession of SB 23 assault weapons went into effect January 1, 2001, following the one-year registration period.

Persons who lawfully possessed assault weapons as defined by SB 23 prior to January 1, 2000 were required to either 1) register them with the Department of Justice between January 1, 2000 and December 31, 2000, 2) render them permanently inoperable, 3) remove them from California, 4) relinquish them to a police or sheriff's department, or 5) prior to December 31, 2000, sell them to a California licensed firearms dealer who possesses a valid assault weapon dealer permit. The Bureau of Firearms has made available a list of the SB 23 characteristics that define assault weapons. You may also visit the California Legislature website at www.leginfo.ca.gov/bilinfo.html for a full text version of SB 23, or telephone the Legislative Bill Room at (916) 445-2323 to request a copy of the bill. After reviewing the law, if you are still uncertain as to whether your firearm is an assault weapon under Penal Code section 12276.1 (SB 23), you should seek advice from either a firearms expert or an attorney.

[timmy8151]

Really, possession of High Cap magazines is not against the law....

Could you show that too me? I'd love to see the CA DOJ law that says high capacity magazines are lawful.

So, I can run brand new 30 round magazines that I bought in Arizona last week, is that right?

No where in your original post did it mention that CWS told the person that they could use High capacity magazines that they didn't own before 1/1/2000. If this person owned these magazines before the ban date then they are legal to use in a featureless rifle.

[Jicko]

Really, possession of High Cap magazines is not against the law....

Could you show that too me? I'd love to see the CA DOJ law that says high capacity magazines are lawful.

So, I can run brand new 30 round magazines that I bought in Arizona last week, is that right?

Man, you are so... WRONG... the worst, is that you tried to make it sound RIGHT... THAT is the *sad* part....

Possession of large capacity magazines, whether by peace officers or private citizens, is not controlled.

The manufacturing, importation into the state, offering for sale, keeping for sale, exposing for sale, giving, and lending of a large capacity magazine is

CA DOJ AW ID guide page 74. (even the DOJ *underlined* those words for you)

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf

Now.... YOUR !#@!ing turn to show us that "possession of High Cap magazines IS against the law"....

[1911_Mitch]

Sort of Yes, IF those brand new mags are broken down and used as replacement parts for LEGALLY PRE 2000 OWNED high caps.

You cannot import, purchase, etc... high cap mags into the state of CA after Dec 31, 2000.

There are MANY people who own perfectly legal high cap mags (owned before Dec 31, 2000 in CA) and use them regularly.

[Corbin Dallas]

No where in your original post did it mention that CWS told the person that they could use High capacity magazines that they didn't own before 1/1/2000. If this person owned these magazines before the ban date then they are legal to use in a featureless rifle.

Right here:

Customer: Can I use a 30 round magazine here in Commifornia?

CWS: Yes, as long as you don't have any "EVIL" features...


The CWS salesman made NO mention such as "Yes, PROVIDED the magazine is a PRE-2000 ban, AND you have no "EVIL" features...

[Corbin Dallas]

Sort of Yes, IF those brand new mags are broken down and used as replacement parts for LEGALLY PRE 2000 OWNED high caps.

You cannot import, purchase, etc... high cap mags into the state of CA after Dec 31, 2000.

There are MANY people who own perfectly legal high cap mags (owned before Dec 31, 2000 in CA) and use them regularly.

Mitch - I Agree with you.

[Corbin Dallas]

Man, you are so... WRONG... the worst, is that you tried to make it sound RIGHT... THAT is the *sad* part....




CA DOJ AW ID guide page 74. (even the DOJ *underlined* those words for you)

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf

Now.... YOUR !#@!ing turn to show us that "possession of High Cap magazines IS against the law"....

Look up 2 posts from your original. SB23 states it.

[luvtolean]

Right here:

Customer: Can I use a 30 round magazine here in Commifornia?

CWS: Yes, as long as you don't have any "EVIL" features...


The CWS salesman made NO mention such as "Yes, PROVIDED the magazine is a PRE-2000 ban, AND you have no "EVIL" features...

So what.

The customer asked if he could use 30 rounders. Not if he could buy them.

The law is very clear on this point.

It is legal for a no SB-23 feature rifle, aka evil feature, to use 30 round mags.

[Jicko]

Right here:

Customer: Can I use a 30 round magazine here in Commifornia?

CWS: Yes, as long as you don't have any "EVIL" features...


The CWS salesman made NO mention such as "Yes, PROVIDED the magazine is a PRE-2000 ban, AND you have no "EVIL" features...

Hey, the customer DID NOT ASK where he can buy 30 rounds magazines...

The CWS answer is 100% right.

[thedrickel]

Maybe you guys should go back and do some homework.

Maybe you should learn how to read your own post:

Effective January 1, 2000, SB 23 generally prohibits, the manufacture, import, sale, giving or lending of large capacity magazines (defined as any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but does not include .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding devices).

Enforcement relative to the illegal possession of SB 23 assault weapons went into effect January 1, 2001, following the one-year registration period.

Persons who lawfully possessed assault weapons as defined by SB 23 prior to January 1, 2000 were required to either 1) register them with the Department of Justice between January 1, 2000 and December 31, 2000, 2) render them permanently inoperable, 3) remove them from California, 4) relinquish them to a police or sheriff's department, or 5) prior to December 31, 2000, sell them to a California licensed firearms dealer who possesses a valid assault weapon dealer permit. The Bureau of Firearms has made available a list of the SB 23 characteristics that define assault weapons. You may also visit the California Legislature website at www.leginfo.ca.gov/bilinfo.html for a full text version of SB 23, or telephone the Legislative Bill Room at (916) 445-2323 to request a copy of the bill. After reviewing the law, if you are still uncertain as to whether your firearm is an assault weapon under Penal Code section 12276.1 (SB 23), you should seek advice from either a firearms expert or an attorney.

So where exactly does it mention possession of high cap mags? As long as you have them, and have no evil features, you can use them. The burden is on the state to prove you did not own them prior to 12/31/99. However if you are caught importing, selling or manufacturing them you are screwed.

You should change the title of this thread to "Recently learned how to read SB23 4/15"

[G17GUY]

So did you correct him or just wait to flame him on the forum? Pack sand!