An 11 Bang-Bang who is tired of cleaning

[Bellehood]

my countless hours spend with m-16's and m4's has lead me to one conclusion. I hate, despise even, Direct Impingement. With all of my heart. I am tired of spending hours digging carbon out of bolt carriers so that the armory will accept my rifle back. It sucks.

But I love my m4. Despite the possible tens of thousands of rounds that have been through it, every m4 that the Army has ever issued me, including the one at fort benning for my 14 weeks of fun, shot like a champ, and could easily provide me with 300m head shots all day long.

I am fortunate enough to live in Washington State, and to NOT live on base, so there are very few restrictions when it comes to firearms. I have a small collection of my own, but I am finally thinking about purchasing my own m4. Or in this case, an m4 without fun mode. My knowledge pertaining to the building process of AR's is fairly limited, mostly what I have read on here and other forums. But after quite a bit of research, I have chosen an piston powered upper that I like:

http://www.adamsarms.net/details.asp?sku=010124331002

I can find nothing but good reviews about Adams Arms piston design, and unlike LWRC and Sabre, it is affordable.

So, my request would be for input on the Adams Arms upper, and for advice as to what lowers I should be looking at. Much appreciated.

[MILLITIAof1]

Hands down my only choice

[Quiet]

Check out Addax Tactical for an affordable and reliable gas-piston AR.

[J_Rock]

Just dont clean it. The AR doesnt need to be spotless to be function. Shoot some oil into it and its good to go.

[paradox]

Another option is to go DI with an IonBond / Diamond-like-carbon coating. All you'd need for cleaning is a rag.

[Retzius]

I'm with you brother.

I have never been a fan of cleaning the AR. I have trusted my life on this rifle so I always kept it extremely clean. Past experience showed me that although an AR does not NEED to be clean to function well it sure does help.. ALOT. I have had them jam in the most inconvenient moments.. i.e. Iraq.

Ironic thing is I am mostly a dedicated AK or Hk shooter now Just got really sick of that SPRONG! sound in my ear :P

If I was gonna stay the AR-ish route I would probably go with an HK416 assuming it becomes available soon. I also have an itching to try the Para TTR.

Have fun.

[CGDC]

I have the Stag Model 8 and love it. They are now selling just the upper. Very affordable.

[Cobrafreak]

I don't see what the big deal is about the cleaning. Get an AR bolt carrier carbon scraper. About 10 turns and the job is done.

[sseric75]

I don't get it myself. Any Gun, piston or not needs to be cleaned. Don't think just because you're buying a piston gun you don't need to clean and lube it. Have any of the piston AR type guns been tested in Real Battle?

[Suvorov]

I have had only two encounters with the Adams Arms piston system. One while working at the range, the other at a rifle class. In both cases they were negative and both occurred on new builds. In the first case, the pistol simply broke. In the second case the owner attempted to adjust the gas port which resulted in the assembly flying apart. Obviously in both instances, the rifles were rendered unfirable. At the same rifle class, a guy showed up with a LWRC rifle which was unable to hold any sort of group.

I'm sure that my two observations are just bad luck, but it is enough for me to view piston guns with a very weary eye. While the pistol does help with cleaning issues and in theory are more reliable, but that piston is just one more part to break so in my view, negates any reliability improvement you get. I think the problem is that the pistons on AR platforms are just too small and fragile. Look at rifles like the Sig and AK, they have big beefy pistons, then look at the piston on an Adams arms.

I didn't serve in the sand box, so I really can't claim any knowledge of how the AR runs there, but I have to wonder how much better piston ARs will run there. While I know some SF units are running them, you really can not apply their experience with that of big Army. Not that anybody cares what I have to say, just my observations.

[k1dude]

Try the Ruger SR556. You can get the complete gas-piston rifle with top-of-the-line components for less than $1,500. And it comes with a lifetime warranty.

[RAAK_FJ]

So, my request would be for input on the Adams Arms upper, and for advice as to what lowers I should be looking at. Much appreciated.

Lowers:
BCM,DD or Noveske

[MILLITIAof1]

Lowers:
BCM,DD or Noveske

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