Bullet Proof Vest

[OZONE78]

That's what I was thinking . The robbers had real F/A assault weapons, not wannabe semi-autos like the cops.

That's weird though, how did they get machine guns when they're illegal to possess or buy in Ca .

Good thing we banned semi-auto M-16 clones!

If you know what you are doing, besides being an idiot, it is very easy to convert any ar/ak-type rifle to full auto.

[Technical Ted]

california is not body armor friendly ... i got a earful from some guy at the Glendale gun show on how fienstein is trying to eliminate vests ...i then saw him at the costa mesa gun show pitching the same thing...i came home and looked it up and its true CA is not body armor friendly...please advise

Probably the same vendor that has shown up at the Cow Palace shows for the last several years with signage claiming that a ban on civilian body armor ownership is coming down any second now.

One reason I never buy into the "good deals" at gunshows is that many of the vests I've seen are used police trade ins. Some of them made from cleaned and re-covered panels to look like new.

[mblat]

It's all because of that damn North Hollywood bank robbery, way back when. The cops were totaly outgunned by a couple of crazy Russians in Kevlar. Luckily for the police, a local gun shop supplied them with appropriate weapons.

They weren't Russians. Larry Eugene Phillips, Jr. and Emil Dechebal Matasareanu can be a lot things, but Russians are not one of them.
First sounds like WASP, and second somewhere from Easten Europe. Romanian maybe?
Hollywood made them into Russians..... for whatever reasons, may be more dramatic effect?

One reason I never buy into the "good deals" at gunshows is that many of the vests I've seen are used police trade ins. Some of them made from cleaned and re-covered panels to look like new.

So, where do you buy your body armor?

[Quiet]

They weren't Russians. Larry Eugene Phillips, Jr. and Emil Dechebal Matasareanu can be a lot things, but Russians are not one of them.
First sounds like WASP, and second somewhere from Easten Europe. Romanian maybe?
Hollywood made them into Russians..... for whatever reasons, may be more dramatic effect?

Matasareanu was Romanian. I think (not 100% sure, didn't keep track of it) LAPD settled out on the wrong death law suit brought up concerning how he died. Something about the suspect bleding to death in custody and no medical aid was given.

So, where do you buy your body armor?

Inland Uniform in Riverside.

[Neil McCauley]

I like the Cover6 from Safariland.

[xenophobe]

Yep, all of the weird irregularities and the ongoing Pinacle vs DoD testing standards conflict makes me think the jury is still out.

Jury is not out. DOD tested the vest laying flat. Since Dragonskin is overlapping discs, it needs to be tested while in a shape that resembles actual wear.

All the top combat brass who can afford it does. That in itself should tell you that they're not wearing IBA with plates. IBA isn't really all that great.... I'd much rather have SPEAR-BALCS with a repairable level 4 plates, or MARS.

Dragonskin would be better, but at nearly 2x the price I'll pass.

[bernieb90]

Correct. However, from what I've read, the Spectra does hold up much better than the Kevlar, IF you manage to keep it stored within its optimal temperature range (and position, i.e. LAY IT DOWN FLAT, and when not in use, put something inside it such as a firm pillow) and don't wear it a lot.

If you're wearing them a lot or not paying much attention to how you store it... replace Spectrashield just as often as you'd replace Kevlar.

Sir I believe you have been misled by someone whose only interest is in selling you a product that is inferior. The fact of the matter is that Spectra and all other laminates like those made of Zylon are extremely sensitive to temperature and degrade very quickly to the point in fact that they will drop well below their rated level of protection especially on contact shots. True woven Kevlar/Twaron vests will retain ther NIJ ratings for many years and in fact even 20+ year old kevlar vests will continue to stop threats for which they are rated.

Please read through this thread before buying any body armor:

http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000502

Dragonskin has been tested and found to perform quite well, most of the issues have to do with politics and money.

http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=001286#000000

[brando]

Jury is not out. DOD tested the vest laying flat. Since Dragonskin is overlapping discs, it needs to be tested while in a shape that resembles actual wear.

I talked to a ballistics expert who tested the vest extensively and yes, it did perform well, so I correct my statement - the jury is in

[SI-guru]

I talked to a ballistics expert who tested the vest extensively and yes, it did perform well, so I correct my statement - the jury is in

DocGKR ?

[brando]

Damn CommoGuy, you outed me

[CA SHOOTER]

funny how we hear people say how CA is anti body armor when OC has a huge manafacture.. ceradyne

FYI : Dragon Skin made by Pinacle is manufactured in Fresno , CA