CA Hicap magazine question, modify to 10rds?

[Sam1]

crazy stuff, how about if you add a block below the follower and assemble it and it holds 10 rounds but it's not permanently altered and to convert it back to 30 rounds you have to completely disassemble which would turn it into a parts kit again . . and how it started life in the first place would that be legal?

[icentropy]

Well I'd imagine that you can buy the mag rebuild kits (which is legal), glue a spacer to the follower (using weak glue ) so it can't accept more than 10 rounds, then use some silver solder to "tack weld" the floor plate back on, and give it a light touchup with matte black paint. The combination of glueing the spacer and "tack welding" the floorplate should make it legally permanent. in SHTF, or if the leave the state, you can just take a pocket knife and pop the solder off the floorplate and pop the spacer off the follower. Does that sound safe?

[icentropy]

Maybe I'm missing the op's intended post but get a few 10 rounders and if SHTF you will want those hi-cap rebuild kits assembled and ready to hold 20 or 30.

Well I want to buy mags and pouches for SHTF, but I've heard to stay away from $9 cheap mags. But I don't want to spend decent amounts of cash on factory 10rd mags plus have mags that don't fit the available pouchs well.

[IsaacGlass]

Hello all, A quick question. My wife and I are starting to build out Bug out kits for WTSHTF or EOTWAWKI and we currently have a M1A Socom (mine) and she's looking at getting an AR-15 (she loves my Socom but it's too heavy for her). Anyway, we are looking to start getting extra mags for the M1A and Molle pouches for the mags. I really don't want to invest in 10rd mags (and they don't even make good holders for them. Especially since we hope to be leaving CA in 5 years or so.

So the question is this, can you get a 20rd mag, take it apart, insert some sort of spacer inside and reassemble so that it can only hold 10 rounds? They do it with shotguns (i.e. dowl rod inserting into the tube). Would such a modified 20round mag be legal in CA? Then when we move out of CA we just dissassemble all mags and we have standard 20rd mags.

Any thoughts?

If and when the SHTF I wouldnt be caught not having enough magazine, 10 rounders is better than no magazine.

[anniepoks]

in my case i'll buy 10 rounders so as to get away of modifying such.
then the time you go out of state, purchase regular hi-cap magazines
and be good to go. hi-cap are way cheaper than 10 rounders anyway....if i were you!

[Sniper3142]

Well I'd imagine that you can buy the mag rebuild kits (which is legal), glue a spacer to the follower (using weak glue ) so it can't accept more than 10 rounds, then use some silver solder to "tack weld" the floor plate back on, and give it a light touchup with matte black paint. The combination of glueing the spacer and "tack welding" the floorplate should make it legally permanent. in SHTF, or if the leave the state, you can just take a pocket knife and pop the solder off the floorplate and pop the spacer off the follower. Does that sound safe?

That does not sound like it meets the permanant requirement of the California law.

That would most likely be considered illegal.

I strongly suggest you DO NOT do that since a felony convicition might be in your future.

[Josh3239]

I am pretty sure it is a misdemeanor, not a felony.

[dieselpower]

I am pretty sure it is a misdemeanor, not a felony.

(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

Well I'd imagine that you can buy the mag rebuild kits (which is legal), glue a spacer to the follower (using weak glue ) so it can't accept more than 10 rounds, then use some silver solder to "tack weld" the floor plate back on, and give it a light touchup with matte black paint. The combination of glueing the spacer and "tack welding" the floorplate should make it legally permanent. in SHTF, or if the leave the state, you can just take a pocket knife and pop the solder off the floorplate and pop the spacer off the follower. Does that sound safe?

That does not sound like it meets the permanant requirement of the California law.

That would most likely be considered illegal.

I strongly suggest you DO NOT do that since a felony convicition might be in your future.

This meets the DoJ/BoF requirements in my mind. He is using glue, silver solder and a solid block stopping the follower. Keep in mind the BoF looks at permanency in the physical, meaning hard stop, not as a state of time, being forever. I was under the impression permanently altered was a time requirement and any physical stop was good. Grizz and Bill explained to me BoF looks at it as they would a fixed magazine build, permanency doesnt mean forever nor does it mean the lower can not be re-built to allow detachable magazines. So as long as so sort of work is required to modify the 10/30 magazine back to a hi-cap, its good to go.

[pyromensch]

a lot of reading above, so if i repeat, sorry. your leaving ca in 5 yrs? where are you headed to? do you have friends/relatives in other states, that can hold mags for you?
if not buy a bunch out of state, prior to moving, and "store" them at a rental storage.
then pick them up on the way out. keep some cal legal 10rd around til you leave

[icentropy]

a lot of reading above, so if i repeat, sorry. your leaving ca in 5 yrs? where are you headed to?

Probably North central Washington (i have some land there).

do you have friends/relatives in other states, that can hold mags for you?

Nope, just liked the area.

if not buy a bunch out of state, prior to moving, and "store" them at a rental storage. then pick them up on the way out. keep some cal legal 10rd around til you leave

Kinda, goes against the "not wanting to spend a lot of money".

Riveting sounds like a good idea, if someone can post some pics of a riveted mag. Then they can just be drilled out later. Besides, filling the bottom of the mag with epoxy, I don't think a mag can truly be "permanently" altered without basically cutting the mag case in half. But in order to fit the standard molle mag holders the clips have to stay the standard size.

Again the purpose of the question is mainly to get some feedback on how i can modify 20rd M1A mags to hold only 10rds. This way i can only spend money on good quality mags and mag pouches now, stay legal in CA and then take them out of state and convert them back to 20rd mags. i sure as heck don't want a felony and then have to get rid of my guns and screw the whole point. I just figured that if we can legally have an AR-15 by modifying it with bullet button, etc and stay within the law, It seems the same principles would apply to modifying the mags.

If i'm right about that point (and I wanted to get your guys' opinion on that), then the second question is what do you think is the best way to modify them, trying to be as far within the law as possible, while still being able to convert them back to 20rd out of state (either using all the same components or maybe replacing a screwed up floorplate, etc.)

[Mntngoat]

why not just buy a 10/20 or 10/30 mag for your time in Cali when you move buy 30 round mags or have a buddy who lives out a state buy them for you now and store them at his house, until you get out of this god forsaken state.

ML

[tr1t1um]

I agree with buying 10 rounders or 10/20s 10/30s you can always just sell them here on Calgun when you leave.