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[badicedog]

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[KING_PALM]

MYOB!!!!!!

unless he made your 6" wrong at subway you should stay out of it.

[Bug Splat]

MYOB!!!!!!

Agreed. Its a stupid law IMO and since I'm not tasked with the job of enforcing it I look the other way and hope the guy does not get caught and maybe changes his config so he does not get popped later.

[KaLiFORNIA]

Maybe As a courtesy ... But don't tell him like your the law

[Dr Rockso]

I wonder if the guy was from CA (probably was if he had a Radlock). Still a lot of paperless SBRs in other states. "I don't see no feds 'round here" and all that...

That sort of thing works fine until it doesn't....

[Jicko]

One thing I am sure is that CGF is not going to help defend that dude.... but that's about it....

PS. Maybe, depending on his attitude, you can politely ask how and why he think what he has is legal..... or just look the other way...

PPS. What's the configuration of the SBR are you looking at? Is it just a 14.5" without the muzzle device permanently attached? Or is it a 10"-er?

PPPS. How do you KNOW that he is not LE? MAYBE, he is LE and bought a CA version of an AR... then he proceeded to get it registered as a legal AW, and then he got his federal SBR permit.... THEN he backed out the RADDLOCK and use it the way he can legally do it..... now who are you to "call him on the multiple Federal and state felonies"?? this is NOT impossible (altho it is *likely* not)... yet... if that is the case....it is really, none of your business.... what you thought that you saw, was just a bunch of your assumptions (altho, it is probably correct...)

[Gio]

It is up to the people running the event to make sure all is good, that's how I look at it. I've seen LEO's and Civilians use 30 rounders in AK's and AR's and no one said a peep at both Ranges and 3 Gun Competitions.

I've heard from good sources that the NFA may be a thing of the past and I am excited about that.

[dieselpower]

I would have quietly talked with him about this. I am not LEO, it's not a requirement of the law that I turn him in and I would in no way place myself in legal jeopardy by talking with him.

I could be placing myself in a legal jungle by ignoring it.

I heard a story were a guy saw a select fire rifle at a pawn shop. The owner said he knew nothing about the rifle as he bought it off an old lady the day before. He was taking no safety responsibility for the firearm for legal purpose. f he inspected it, cleaned it or did anything to it, he would then be responsible. He was told now that he knew the firearm was a machine gun, he had certain responsibilities as the seller. The pawn shop owner ordered the guy out of the store. This story has a sad ending since the guy got mad and called the ATF on the pawn shop, but this guy wasn't just a guy, he was a licensed dealer himself, and by seeing the firearm he could be placed into a legal jungle himself by ignoring the fact he knew another FFL was violating the law.

"dont get involved" doesnt help the situation. You should get involved. I am not saying to call the cops, I am saying this guy may not know what you know, and by you ignoring it just screwed him.

When he gets nailed, he is going to be very surprised and upset. To him he has shown the firearm to dozens of LEO, other gun guys and no one said a thing to him. You actually betrayed a bond of brotherhood by not helping a fellow gun guy out.

If he told you to get lost, then fine. You tried.

[Gio]

I would have quietly talked with him about this. I am not LEO, it's not a requirement of the law that I turn him in and I would in no way place myself in legal jeopardy by talking with him.

I could be placing myself in a legal jungle by ignoring it.

I heard a story were a guy saw a select fire rifle at a pawn shop. The owner said he knew nothing about the rifle as he bought it off an old lady the day before. He was taking no safety responsibility for the firearm for legal purpose. f he inspected it, cleaned it or did anything to it, he would then be responsible. He was told now that he knew the firearm was a machine gun, he had certain responsibilities as the seller. The pawn shop owner ordered the guy out of the store. This story has a sad ending since the guy got mad and called the ATF on the pawn shop, but this guy wasn't just a guy, he was a licensed dealer himself, and by seeing the firearm he could be placed into a legal jungle himself by ignoring the fact he knew another FFL was violating the law.

"dont get involved" doesnt help the situation. You should get involved. I am not saying to call the cops, I am saying this guy may not know what you know, and by you ignoring it just screwed him.

When he gets nailed, he is going to be very surprised and upset. To him he has shown the firearm to dozens of LEO, other gun guys and no one said a thing to him. You actually betrayed a bond of brotherhood by not helping a fellow gun guy out.

If he told you to get lost, then fine. You tried.

I am not an LEO, but I have learned that you do not tell them anything that they do is illegal. Now if you wish to confront them and make a scene that is up to you. I guess the only thing you can do is tell the RSO and let them know of the illegal configuration that is at the place you are at.

I have a good amount of friends that are LEO's now and simply telling them that a 10.5" upper on their non-bb'd OLL is illegal will just get you laughed at. I know for a fact that there are LEO's that have setups like this for training at their Department Range or for Classes such as the one that was mentioned here. I believe that the "Honor Amongst Brothers" rule is in play when a situation like this arises.

Without a doubt I can say that there were a few other LEO's out there with a setup like the one the OP stated but since they do not use mag locks it would be kind of hard to tell which ones they were. I am not saying what they what right, but you have very limited choices.

Sorry to kind of get kind of out there, yes I know LEO's have to follow the same rules as us.

[stormy_clothing]

Pull him aside during a break and ask him about it nicely. It may be a loaner, it may be registered some how, he may be off duty, he may have cleared it with the range operators. There is alot of other things that come to mind.

[tommyid1]

I've heard from good sources that the NFA may be a thing of the past and I am excited about that.

Huh
Do tell more please.... :-)

[dieselpower]

I am not an LEO, but I have learned that you do not tell them anything that they do is illegal. Now if you wish to confront them and make a scene that is up to you. I guess the only thing you can do is tell the RSO and let them know of the illegal configuration that is at the place you are at.

I have a good amount of friends that are LEO's now and simply telling them that a 10.5" upper on their non-bb'd OLL is illegal will just get you laughed at. I know for a fact that there are LEO's that have setups like this for training at their Department Range or for Classes such as the one that was mentioned here. I believe that the "Honor Amongst Brothers" rule is in play when a situation like this arises.

Without a doubt I can say that there were a few other LEO's out there with a setup like the one the OP stated but since they do not use mag locks it would be kind of hard to tell which ones they were. I am not saying what they what right, but you have very limited choices.

Sorry to kind of get kind of out there, yes I know LEO's have to follow the same rules as us.

Read the two sentences in my post...slowly. Making a scene, calling RSO was never in my post. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was saying to do either one of these things?

I will be a jerk now and say, if you think, "Honor Amongst Brothers" means allowing a "brother" to continue to violate the law and jeopardize his freedoms by not educating him, I really don't need you as a brother.

I am not afraid to be laughed at.
I spoke my peace, if you ignore it, fine. I did what I could.

[Gio]

Approaching a LEO would cause a scene, believe me. Especially if it is at a training session. That's why I mentioned talking to the RSO

As far as not being a brother or a good one, fine by me. I would not challenge or say anything to a LEO in the middle of a class. If you have a problem with that, then so be it. It would be better to talk to the RSO, I also stated that and also the fact that the LEO's doing that are breaking the law.

Take care,

-Gio

[bwiese]

I think it would be helpful to acquire info on such situations, esp if that person is a local LE.

Not necessarily to bust the individual, but as possible "horsetradin' material" in future gun cases in that area.

I'll note that the recent Beverly Hills bust of a cop for AWs etc and no-file charges really raises the threshold for AW charges for ordinary mortals in the LA area. If the cop and the DA can't "understand the law", that's good cover for us. [This is no way is a recommendation for illegal AW possesion in LA area, just the fact that it's one incremental method of nullifying prosecutions.]

[Cpl_Peters]

Mind your own business...that is the best answer. dont believe the hype about you might get in trouble for not saying anything. thats FUD. MYOB..if he gets popped thats his business. Plus you dont even know the entire story behind why he had that type of config. maybe his rifle is also a registered AW/SBR and he just likes the larger rad lock button so he uses it. maybe he used to have it as cal legal OLL then got the appropriate paperwork from his dept's chief to reg it as an AW and SBR. my point is you just dont know and it doesnt effect you at all. the only time you break the MYOB rule is if someone is being unsafe.