Olympic Arms K3B-M4-A3-TC "feedback"

[BUYERRYAN]

I am in the market for my first AR and came across this deal. I am just looking for feedback on whether or not you guys think this is a quality weapon and a good deal for the money. $1095.00 plus $25.00 shipping

RIFLE COMES WITH CASE, 1 MAG, AND SLING. This rifle is the top tatical carbine from Olympic Arms and is well worth the money. This rifle is in stock and We ship the same day that we receive payment and FFL. This rifle is sometimes called the "alphabet gun". The A3-TC variant takes the K3B-M4 and adds a detachable carry handle and FIRSH quad rail free floating handguard. AR-15 Specifications Receiver Material 7075 T6 Aluminum Forged Receivers Machined By Olympic Arms Receiver Finish Black Matte Anodized Receivers, Pakerized Steel Parts Action Gas Operated Semi-automatic Action Upper Type Flat top w/ picatinny rails & detachable carry handle Front Sight Elevation adjustable post w/ bayonet lug Handguard Free floating FIRSH w/ picatinny rails Barrel 16" M4, button rifled, 416 stainless steel Chambering 5.56 NATO Bore Long-life non-chromed bore Twist Rate 1x9 Muzzle A2 flash suppressor Stock M4 fiberite, 6-point collapsible Length 31.75" Weight 6.77 lbs

[Rekrab]

Olympic Arms AR-15 banned by name.

I've tried, in the past, to get verification on whether or not the various models they make are good to go, but I've stayed away from them just to be on the safe side.

[BUYERRYAN]

If that is the case, that's just my fault for not checking closer. Online they had a "ship California" adder so I thought it was fine.

[Rekrab]

Someone more knowledgeable on the subject might chime in.

Were you looking at the OlyArms website? They've always had a "No-California" stance in the past. My buddy has a 9mm AR stashed in Washington that he wants to bring down here. He thinks that they're great and absolutely loves his.

[BUYERRYAN]

No it was actually a sponsoring dealers website. On-sale with a Cal-Compliant charge of $40.00 as an option.

[rct442]

Appendix (B) PC Section 12276

American Spirit: USA Model
Armalite: AR 10 (all), M15 (all)
Armalite: Golden Eagle
Bushmaster: XM15 (all)
Colt: Law Enforcement (6920)
Colt: Match Target (all)
Colt: Sporter (all)
Dalphon: B. F. D.
DPMS: Panther (all)
Eagle Arms: EA-15 A2 H-BAR, EA-15 E1
Eagle Arms: M15 (all)
Frankford Arsenal: AR-15 (all)
Hesse Arms: HAR 15A2 (all)
Knights: RAS (all), SR-15 (all)
Knights: SR-25 (all)
Les Baer: Ultimate AR (all)
Olympic Arms: AR-15, Car-97, PCR (all)
Ordnance, Inc.: AR-15
Palmetto: SGA (all)
Professional Ordnance, Inc.: Carbon 15 Rifle
PWA: All Models
Rock River Arms, Inc.: Car A2
Rock River Arms, Inc.: Car A4 Flattop
Rock River Arms, Inc.: LE Tactical Carbine
Rock River Arms, Inc.: NM A2 - DCM Legal
Rock River Arms, Inc.: Standard A-2
Rock River Arms, Inc.: Standard A-4 Flattop
Wilson Combat: AR-15

Is the rifle listed by name here on appendix B? If not you can make it CA-legal if you add a mag-lock or go featureless.

[Josh3239]

Sounds like Peach State Guns. I don't think it is marked anything banned, I believe the model is K3B.

[CHS]

Assuming it's actually off-list, don't get it.

Olympic is crappier than DPMS.

[Sicarius]

My honest opinion of OA is that their quality is lesser than many many others out there. RRA, STAG, CMMG, and S&W to name a few in the same price range have much nicer products.
Kevin

[tomd1584]

Assuming it's actually off-list, don't get it.

Olympic is crappier than DPMS.

this.

Olympic uses inferior (crappy) material, and the Quality control sucks.

You could spend $1100 on a MMMUUUCCCHHH nicer gun.

[gmcal]

I'm almost done purchasing my first AR (waiting for lower to come in), so I'm no expert. However, during my research 5 brands kept getting recommended: Colt, Noveske, LMT, Daniel Defense, and BCM. A railed Noveske or LMT is not in the price range you're looking at. I wouldn't go with Colt because a few of their models are listed and I'd like to avoid any confusion an LEO may have, if one were to ever question me about my rifle (your opinion may differ). DD is a little more than a BCM for comparable rifles. If I were you here is what I'd do:

go here http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Produ...%2DM4+16+DDOX7

here http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...ategory%3DBCOM

and here http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...on&key=A1-BUIS

BCM upper with bolt carrier group 844
BCM complete lower 350
DD rear sight 66

for a total of 1260. A review of BCM, I have no idea who USMC03 is but pay attention to what Pat Rogers says about BCM.

http://www.03designgroup.com/reviews/bcm-complete-ar15-upper-and-lower-receivers

[abusalim81]

Heard too many horror stories about olympic arms...

[BUYERRYAN]

Thanks for all of the input guys. I have my eyes on a DD.

[Rock_Islander]

Assuming it's actually off-list, don't get it.

Olympic is crappier than DPMS.

First off I want to disagree with you. I just sighted in my Olympic Arms K16 on Wednesday night, that I just got off Peach State Guns. It is a great rifle, VERY ACCURATE, very reliable. No malfunctions. Just smoooth shooting. The thing is solid, so I don't know what your personal experience is with Oly' Arms, but I'm a real true owner of a CA Legal Oly' Arms rifle and my personal experience is great. It's got a free float handguard and a bull barrel, and the thing tack drives at my 100 yard zero! My two friends that I went shooting with this past Wed night said they thought my rifle was great. And thats coming from two guys that brought out their Daniel Defense and RRA AR's in the two lanes next to me. It's not crappy anything. I love it. I'd buy another if I had the money.

Second, If you buy the K3 (Alphabet Rifle) then it's NOT any of those 3 rifles that are named on the banned list. So you're good to go. I bought my K16 from PeachStateGuns.com, it was shipped into CA with no problem, and is absolutely a CA Legal OLL. You should be fine.

My only recommendation is that you keep your DROS form, your FFL printed/written receipt, the flowchart, and the Sacramento Police Memo with you in your hard rifle case that comes with your K3. Just so that you can prove to anyone that your particular rifle isn't banned by name, and that it's "off the list".

Above all, have fun with it, you will enjoy it!

R.I.

Oh yeah, here's pictures of my beloved OLL-Y-Arms (K16):


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AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, here is a YOUTUBE vid' of some guy kinda abusing the K3 rifle you want to buy, and proving that Oly makes a solid rifle. I watched it and after seeing it, I felt confident that Olys aren't crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrvFUuNBY3M

[bwiese]

Those buying and able to acquire Oly ARs should ensure that even though the "rifle model" is off-list there's no markings on the lower that could be construed as making it listed. (That is, there could be the converse of the Rock River Arms situation.)

Those having Oly ARs that are working should be happy as they seem to be unique.

I've debugged a LOT of ARs and the ones having the most problems (separate bad mag issues or from user error like lack of lube) seem to be Olys. Olys are definitionally low quality because they do not come with a chrome-lined barrel (and usu. Oly doesn't even offer chromed bbld).

If you're looking for cheap, you'd probably get a better quality AR from J&T Distributing/Doublestar than from Oly - and prob better customer service.
Oly's gone down further, I think, since the days when Corey Sattler was there, and I worry about some of Tom Spithaler's actions.