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  • SoCalRandy
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 570

    NO MORE Remington 700 problems!!! Updated 4-22 *Pics added to post #43*

    So, I did a lot of research here and other websites trying to build a good but affordable long range rifle. I ended up getting a Remington SPS Varmint 26" bbl in .308. I ended up putting a Timney aftermarket trigger on there. I took it to Project 2000 today for the first time out... when I left it still had no rounds down range. When I pulled the trigger... click but no bang. I tried two different kinds of ammo to make sure it wasn't just an ammo issue. The results were the same with both manufacturers ammo. The primers were dented but I guess the firing pin isn't hitting it hard enough to ignite? Anybody have any suggestions?
    Last edited by SoCalRandy; 04-22-2010, 9:27 PM. Reason: added new pics to post #43
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    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 56958

    Hmmm, something BIG is wrong here.
    Hard to determine without examining the gun/ammo though.
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    • #3
      SoCalRandy
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 570

      Originally posted by ar15barrels
      Hmmm, something BIG is wrong here.
      Hard to determine without examining the gun/ammo though.
      In retrospect I wish I would have tried to shoot the gun while it still had the factory trigger installed. I may have installed the Timney trigger incorrectly?

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      • #4
        pontiacpratt
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 1663

        Originally posted by SoCalRandy
        So, I did a lot of research here and other websites trying to build a good but affordable long range rifle. I ended up getting a Remington SPS Varmint 26" bbl in .308. I ended up putting a Timney aftermarket trigger on there. I took it to Project 2000 today for the first time out... when I left it still had no rounds down range. When I pulled the trigger... click but no bang. I tried two different kinds of ammo to make sure it wasn't just an ammo issue. The results were the same with both manufacturers ammo. The primers were dented but I guess the firing pin isn't hitting it hard enough to ignite? Anybody have any suggestions?
        My guess is in that the new trigger is faulty or installed improperly. My SPS-V .308 goes bang quite reliably, any anything in the cross hairs goes boom... quite reliably.
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        • #5
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 56958

          Originally posted by SoCalRandy
          In retrospect I wish I would have tried to shoot the gun while it still had the factory trigger installed. I may have installed the Timney trigger incorrectly?
          Put the stock trigger back on.
          Make sure you don't lose the sear spring.

          It would be pretty hard to screw up a timney trigger installation.
          The sear is captive in the housing.
          Randall Rausch

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          • #6
            SoCalRandy
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 570

            Originally posted by ar15barrels
            Put the stock trigger back on.
            Make sure you don't lose the sear spring.

            It would be pretty hard to screw up a timney trigger installation.
            The sear is captive in the housing.
            I think I might just try that. I doubt I installed it incorrectly because the hammer is striking the firing pin every time I pull the trigger. I think I might try a different firing pin also?

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            • #7
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 56958

              There is no hammer.
              The firing pin is held back against the firing pin spring by the sear.
              The sear releases it when the sear slips off the trigger as the trigger is pulled.

              Is your j-lock engaged?
              Randall Rausch

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              • #8
                SoCalRandy
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 570

                Originally posted by ar15barrels
                There is no hammer.
                The firing pin is held back against the firing pin spring by the sear.
                The sear releases it when the sear slips off the trigger as the trigger is pulled.

                Is your j-lock engaged?
                Huh, what's a j-lock? Just kidding I looked at the owners manual and I took the stock off to inspect the action a little better. Everything seems to be functioning perfectly.... except for the whole absense of a bullet shooting out of the barrel thing After pulling the stock off I remembered what a pain in the a** it was for me to install the Timney. I know it is probably second nature for someone like you but I am hesitant to pull it apart again. I can't remember exactly how the sear spring sat in the trigger assembly? I wish I knew of a reputable gunsmith in the San Diego area

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                • #9
                  Legasat
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                  • Mar 2009
                  • 4151

                  Originally posted by SoCalRandy
                  I wish I knew of a reputable gunsmith in the San Diego area
                  You could bring it up to Ray. He comes to Iron Sights in Oceanside every Monday around 5pm - 8pm. I have used him, he is very good!
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                  • #10
                    Beelzy
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 9224

                    Bummer!

                    I agree with the part about shooting it before the Timney install, the stock one
                    is pretty good IMO.
                    "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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                    • #11
                      SoCalRandy
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 570

                      Originally posted by Beelzy
                      Bummer!

                      I agree with the part about shooting it before the Timney install, the stock one
                      is pretty good IMO.
                      Yeah, but the more I think about it the Timney trigger shouldn't really matter. If I work the bolt, the sear holds the firing pin assembly back and when I pull the trigger it releases the firing pin as you would expect. I'm just really bummed because I don't really know how to proceed? I think we sometimes take it for granted that our guns function properly so when I run into a problem like this it makes me appreciate my other guns that much more!

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                      • #12
                        buffybuster
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 2615

                        Originally posted by SoCalRandy
                        Yeah, but the more I think about it the Timney trigger shouldn't really matter. If I work the bolt, the sear holds the firing pin assembly back and when I pull the trigger it releases the firing pin as you would expect. I'm just really bummed because I don't really know how to proceed? I think we sometimes take it for granted that our guns function properly so when I run into a problem like this it makes me appreciate my other guns that much more!
                        The rifle may have indeed functioned properly as it left the factory. We may now never know.

                        As it stands, you have no known basis from which to proceed. I would recommend you reinstall the stock trigger and check if the rifle functions. If you uncertain in ANY way on how to the trigger fits, take it to a competent gunsmith. If the rifle functions with the stock trigger then you have a basis to conclude there is something wrong with the Timney trigger or how it was installed.
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                        • #13
                          DirtRacer151
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 2713

                          how about posting a picture for us of the bolt face with the firing pin protruding. Is it possible the FP tip is busted and only barely protruding and causing only little dimples in the primers?
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                          • #14
                            X-NewYawker
                            In Memoriam
                            • May 2008
                            • 5993

                            Is this one of the M700 that has a LOCK on the bolt? You can pull the trigger, but it won't let the firing pin forward.

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                            • #15
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 56958

                              Originally posted by X-NewYawker
                              Is this one of the M700 that has a LOCK on the bolt? You can pull the trigger, but it won't let the firing pin forward.
                              Yes.
                              He said it's a new one.
                              That's the J-Lock I asked about...

                              It's that little black piece on the bolt shroud in this picture:
                              Randall Rausch

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