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So I've been looking around for my next rifle/piece of artillery and what else better to go with than an AK. I've been looking high and low through all the forums and the Saiga 7.62 conversion is what I'm pretty stuck on at this point. Someone suggested to look at Atlantic if I wanted an AK cause they are CA friendly. I shot them an email and also a post and they said that even if a rifle (AK is what i was asking about) is NOT on the CA legal listings on their site, they could put a bullet button/maglock on the rifle as long as it wasn't made by Arsenal. I was just looking at this site when I saw this. It is basically what I've been looking for, but without having to do any conversions and it's Russian. A Saiga AK to be exact but a new model imported by RAA. My question to all of you AK knowledgable calgunners is... Is this a real Russian AK made by Iz just configured with the necessary US parts to keep it compliant or am I missing something. Second, if so, would this be CA legal as long as the maglock/bullet button was installed and of course 10 round magazines??? Help me out here cause as money is really not an issue, I think if this were legit, I would rather cop (buy) this than converting the Saiga 7.62 sporting version. Let me know. Thanks!!!! Here's the link. They also have another one AK-103 type.
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restoring is very easy and rewarding. still an option.popcorngunman -
seems like a converted Saiga with Russian red wood. It was a Russian AK till it had to go through 922R. Now It has some US parts on it.
Add a bullet button and 10rd mags and good to go.Comment
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I am not well versed on this rifle, As long as it is not banned by the DOJ by brand or type it should be fine with a maglock and 10 rd mag.Last edited by telcolineman; 04-10-2010, 11:53 PM.NRA Life MemberComment
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Rivets above the pistol grip are a dead give away that it's a converted Saiga.
Yes it's Russian made. Yes it has Russian furniture. Yes it is based on the AK47 action, but it is not an AK47. It's an AK47 like calling a Colt SP1 an M16. For the average joe in America, it's about as close to a real Russian AK47 as you can get without filing extra paperwork. So if you like it, and you're happy with the price, by all means get it and enjoy it. It's not a bad investment.quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. - Lucius Annaeus
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What my understanding is, is that the model with the stamped receiver reading "kalishnikov USA" is the banned one and that the rule was by exact model. Since this is new and imported by raa, wouldn't this rule take effect just like the converted Saiga 7.62 versions since although it is an AK, the receiver is not the one listed on the bans list? And this is NOT an ARSENAL AK to my understanding by the literature and reading of the listing on Atlantic. Your help, knowledge, and guidance is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!!Comment
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About it being an investment, that's what all my guns are to me.. I couldn't agree with you more. What do you mean by not being an AK? I know it's not the original, original ones but can you explain to me just a little bit more on what you mean. I'm prior military and I'm more knowledgable on the M16 AR platform. I do want an AK for the collection though. Anything on the CA legal part of the thread?Comment
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i think he means that the rifle above is not a true AK47 because it doesn't have all the features a true military AK has such as the full auto ability.Comment
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Cool..thanks to all!! So we can say its the same receiver as the sporting 7.62. This meaning that the receiver is not the one on the bans list and we can throw a maglock and a 10 rounder and its CA Legal! Although the Saiga conversion is always an option, this would be something to think about too. Here in San Diego, the 7.62 sporting rifle usually on average goes for 400-500 plus tax and then fees. Plus the 150 for a basic conversion your total is getting up there. If you wanted to do the FSB, AK handguard conversion, bullet guide, muzzel break, then refinish, now we are talking about almost the same price as the finished one. I do think it would be rewarding to build it up, at least the pistol grip conversion, but when you talk about the other stuff, it takes a little more tools, gunsmith skills, money and knowledge. We'll see, though. Just wanted to get some facts straight and keep some options open. The only reason I even thought about this is because it was Russian and made in the Izmash factory. I know the quality is there.Comment
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As for legality, follow the flow chart. Generally speaking, yes if you put a mag lock on that weapon and used a 10 round magazine it SHOULD be legal in California. Of course there are listed variation of the Saiga rifle and you should make sure the weapon is not specificially banned by name before having one sent in.
As for the "not an AK47" part, I thought I was pretty clear with what I meant in the very next sentence.
What I mean is it was never a full-auto gun, it was never issued to any government/military/freedom fighter group/etc, it's never seen combat, not retro, etc.It's an AK47 like calling a Colt SP1 an M16.
Not that all of those are bad things, but there are some peoploe who prefer those things. You have the people who take a somewhat morbid fascination in knowing their firearm (or a mass majority of the parts to their firearm) has been used in combat and probably done it's fair share of damage to someone. You also have those people who like to build retro rifles and take pride in hunting down VERY specific parts to make their weapon as close to those from a given time period as possible (especially in the AR world). You also have those that like the idea of having a "mil-surp" weapon as opposed to a factory recreation.
There are plenty of reason why someone would and wouldn't want the rifle you linked. It's like the new incarnations of sports cars that are coming out - some people love them and some people hate them. Just know that it holds it's value in the eyes of some people differently than others. In the regards to AKs and Saigas, it's not that big of a difference. So if you like the gun and are not absolutely strict on having it as close to a government issue as possible, then by all means get it and enjoy it. I'm not trashing Saigas, in fact I own one and would buy another in a heart beat. They are 100% Russian made guns with Russian made chrome lined barrels (which are getting slim as far as parts kits go) made on by the same company on the same machinery as the real deals that get sent to several world wide militaries. It's a great choice as a weapon, and as an investment with the current trend of imports.
I still, however, stand by my statement that it's not an AK47.Last edited by NeoWeird; 04-11-2010, 3:06 AM.quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. - Lucius Annaeus
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The rifle is legal for us to ship to CA if we install a bullet button and ship it with a 10 round mag .Comment
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