Fail Zero BCG range report

[FeuerFrei]

After mulling over the reviews I decided to try an AR15 BCG from Fail Zero.
I have several AR15 rifles that are DI and one GP but that is another story.
The rifle I decided to try the new BCG on was a RRA 16" upper with a heavy barrel and chrome lined to boot. The receiver is Lauer Custom that I put together a couple years ago with a RRA parts kit. Nuttin' fancy here.
After reading the instructions I proceeded to wipe all the grease and oil out of the upper! I know, I know it's an AR taboo! (and did a hammer swap)
I went out to my shooting spot to try this out with fingers crossed and I was surprised to find after about 420 rounds there were no stoppages or issues. None! WTF! I was shooting Wolf 55gr. and 62gr. with no lube in the upper!
I used Magpul and C-Products mags.
After I ran out of ammo I pulled the BCG and found it to be dirty and coated with the usual crap.
It all wiped off the carrier and bolt with a freaking piece of t-shirt!
I took it out again today and repeated the session with about 270 rds and the same result! (still no lube)
I am not the kinda guy to pimp someone else s stuff, but I can tell you that this upgrade is worth the money.
BTW I paid about 269.00 for it and ordered another one for my coyote rifle.

[tomd1584]

yep, they are pretty slick (no pun intended)

I wouldnt run it too long without lube, its just not right.

[Bagelthief]

I just bought one for my build. Does yours have weird marks on it too, or did I get a bunk? The marks almost look like cat scratches. Maybe machining marks? I don't know...Another problem I have is that I can see wear marks at the point of contact between the bolt carrier, and the rounds in the magazine (looks used). Not happy. Going to try to send it back and see what they say. Its also very hard to get this company on the phone. Will fill you guys in on how this goes...

[Plisk]

This is why I got one for mine. They rock!

[supersonic]

yep, they are pretty slick (no pun intended)

I wouldnt run it too long without lube, its just not right.

Definitely^^^!!! It may do nothing to your BCG, but it will friggin' eventually TEAR UP your aluminum upper bore for sure! I'd just coat the inside of my upper with TW-25B grease and be GTG.

[Josh3239]

I was planning on picking up just a FZ bolt, but IMO running it completely dry makes no sense.

[CHS]

You're SUPPOSED to lube that bolt regardless.

Problem is, if you do, then there is zero need for a FailZero bolt carrier group.

Marketing at it's best.

[tomd1584]

You're SUPPOSED to lube that bolt regardless.

Problem is, if you do, then there is zero need for a FailZero bolt carrier group.

Marketing at it's best.

I didnt want to say anything, but....

[FeuerFrei]

I know the "no lube" thing doesn't seem right when running an AR15 platform weapon.
Too many years of wet BCG and scraping carbon off the bolt/lugs etc..
If I hadn't seen it for myself I would be as skeptical as you guys are.
I also own a POF 16" upper and the "no lube" thing was hard to get used to at first. But the proof was in how it functioned regardless of how little I cleaned it. I can literally half *** the cleaning (or no cleaning) and it would function 100%. Nothing sticks!
I shoot in all weather conditions, sandy, dusty, rainy, whatever. This allows me to have more fun actually shooting and forget about having to do extra work cleaning. I still clean up my rifles but this lets me dictate when to clean and not my rifles.
This Fail Zero bolt "is" the answer to the finicky DI system that lube burns off and dust sticks to the lube. You guys know the mess these things create.
I'll give another report as things progress along.

[CHS]

Cleaning was your first mistake. You're supposed to lube, not necessarily clean.

I don't have finicky DI guns, so I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. I've got normal park'ed carriers and quality bolts running on guns with quality 5.56 chambers.

When you have metal on metal contact, you have to lube. Period. No wonder-bolt or wonder-carrier changes that.

If you're not lubing, you're reducing the service life of your rifle. And you spent $269 for that privilege.

[sonico]

Cleaning was your first mistake. You're supposed to lube, not necessarily clean.

A dirty, lubed up rifle is a happy rifle.

[The DRis]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

"yeah. It doesn't matter how old the oil is in your car or how dirty. Just that you have oil". Seriously. Some of these are your guys opinions. Feel free to run with them. But stop crapping in other guys threads who either like to clean, or feel the need to clean.

[tomd1584]

I dont see anythign in here about cleaning. Just about running a rifle dry, which is not necsesarily good, regardless of Bolt carrier.

[CHS]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

"yeah. It doesn't matter how old the oil is in your car or how dirty. Just that you have oil". Seriously. Some of these are your guys opinions. Feel free to run with them. But stop crapping in other guys threads who either like to clean, or feel the need to clean.

No one ever said that. I believe that I said proper lubrication was necessary.

Key word being "proper". "proper" for a car is to flush the old oil out, and replace and do occasional maintenance like replace spark plugs. But you don't have to tear down the engine and CLEAN it every time you go out driving. But this is exactly what some people do when they shoot their guns.

Then they buy a useless $269 part, shoot a couple hundred rounds through it, call it a "range report", and give it a glowing review like it's the second coming!

If you want to do a range report that actually means something, go take that upper to a multi-day carbine course with a 1500 round count and then come back to us.

Many many many people do that every single weekend using standard milspec uppers, and standard milspec park'ed BCG's with nothing but a 12$ bottle of slip 2000, and they have the same results as the OP under much more intense uses of their rifles.

The FailZero BCG is proof that marketing works. Nothing else.

[FeuerFrei]

No one ever said that. I believe that I said proper lubrication was necessary.

Key word being "proper". "proper" for a car is to flush the old oil out, and replace and do occasional maintenance like replace spark plugs. But you don't have to tear down the engine and CLEAN it every time you go out driving. But this is exactly what some people do when they shoot their guns.

Then they buy a useless $269 part, shoot a couple hundred rounds through it, call it a "range report", and give it a glowing review like it's the second coming!

If you want to do a range report that actually means something, go take that upper to a multi-day carbine course with a 1500 round count and then come back to us.

Many many many people do that every single weekend using standard milspec uppers, and standard milspec park'ed BCG's with nothing but a 12$ bottle of slip 2000, and they have the same results as the OP under much more intense uses of their rifles.

The FailZero BCG is proof that marketing works. Nothing else.

Let me be a little more clear.
These results I posted were my experience with a new product I bought based on reviews I have read. Nobody I know runs one. I was the first in my circle of friends that took a chance. That's all.
I did not say to anyone that they should buy it.
I run most of my AR's kinda hard. Lots of rounds down range.
All but one of my rifles are standard DI guns. I didn't disparage anything about them at all. Yes they require lube to run properly. They all run dirty.
They all run reliably too!
I have over 5500+- rds through my test gun with the BCG that came with it.
This idea (Fail Zero BCG)sounded too good so I decided to try it. It worked for me as advertised. My money, my decision to buy. If my rifle dies because of it I will report my findings to the group.
I primarily posted this thread to share information and solicit questions.
I don't own really understand the criticism regarding "marketing" which kinda sounds like a round about way of disparaging me personally. I could be wrong.
Please just take this information for what it is.
If I run into any problems during my un-scientific testing I will be more than happy to share that with the group.