BEST AR15: DD/BCM/SABRE/SPIKES/....Details/Info Inside...

[.40Cal]

Hey guys,

So, here's another thread for AR's. I see a new AR thread every day posted here. Since I'm looking for one too, I figured if we all pool & and pitch in all our ideas/research in ONE thread, a lot of people could be helped. And we would spend more time shooting & having fun, than on our computers... So here goes - (Please post any DEALS you come across)

Let the Debate being - BEST AR For The Money! (please keep Specs & quality in mind also - 4150, 1/7 barrel, M4 feedramps, chrome barrel, MP tested barrel & bolt, Mil-spec, warranty etc...

Right now Spikes has an awesome (unbeatable, IMO) deal going for complete carbine: $799 -

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113&products_id=387

Daniel Defense: DD XV $1021 -

http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item/174199_Daniel_Defense_Rifles_Shotguns_Daniel_Defense_DA-20015_DDXV_Carbine_16_5_56_Flat.aspx

DD M4 V3: $1299 (a little expensive, but it's a Mid-Length, with DD Rails, Magpul grip)

http://shop.peachstateguns.com/product.sc?productId=689&categoryId=133

BCM: Mid-Length Upper only (without bolt & carrier) $525

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-16-Mid-Length-Group-s/27.htm

Sabre: Mid-Length Uppers only $600 - $800.

http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/59/79

Daniel Defense: Carbine & Mid-Length uppers only - $500 - $850.

http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/122/163

So, I think we have some info here that can help us get started on our way to building or purchasing an AR - just they way we'd want it. There are obviously many choices/options. I hope you guys will also Contribute to the thread and search... and add more value to it. I hope a lot of noobs (including me) can get help from and get our AR's in next couple of weeks.

Thanks... P.S: So, what's the BEST deal you think, and Why?

[contrarius]

That spikes deal is amazing.

[drunktank]

Best AR is too vague. Some like short range, iron sighted plinking, while others prefer long range precision. Best Carbine may be better suited for a lot of people here. I wonder why there isn't a separate AR forum.

[C_1]

The Spikes deal is not bad at all but there are "better" options out there. The DD M4 V3 is out of stock from peachstateguns. The uppers from pkfirearms are not OEM manufactured but there is nothing wrong with that. And you cant go wrong with the DD XV but I think it would be "better" to assemble one yourself. You can pick parts that you like and customize it to your liking.

The BCM you're looking at is BFH version and is more expensive than their standard $425 uppper which would do just fine.

Here's a quick list of what I would suggest:

150-200 lower receiver (bought locally)
60-90 Armalite, DD, Stag or RRA lower parts kit
25-35 bullet button
75 BCM stock/buffer assembly
425 BCM 16 mid-length upper
145 BCM BCG/CH
20 handguards
80-120 Troy, ARMS, MI, KAC, or carry handle sight
? mags x5
? ammo
15 cleaning kit w/ bore and chamber brushes

Without mags, ammo, or accessories, you're looking to spend at least $900 and it goes up depending on what you add on or upgrade..

[.40Cal]

Best AR is too vague. Some like short range, iron sighted plinking, while others prefer long range precision. Best Carbine may be better suited for a lot of people here. I wonder why there isn't a separate AR forum.

You're right - Best AR is sort of vague. But MOST guys who're looking to buy, will understand. Precision shooting is an all together a different sport. Most guys looking for AR's would be looking for something in a 16" carbine or Mid-length. I prefer a mid-length for it's benefits, and it's still the same size as a carbine (a whole different topic). And some would want 14.5" barrels. But we're talking majority of people, especially noobs who want a GOOD rifle, that will shoot well, be dependable, and accurate as a (non-precision, under 20") AR can be, and last for a long time ...

[.40Cal]

The Spikes deal is not bad at all but there are "better" options out there. The DD M4 V3 is out of stock from peachstateguns. The uppers from pkfirearms are not OEM manufactured but there is nothing wrong with that. And you cant go wrong with the DD XV but I think it would be "better" to assemble one yourself. You can pick parts that you like and customize it to your liking.

The BCM you're looking at is BFH version and is more expensive than their standard $425 uppper which would do just fine.

Here's a quick list of what I would suggest:

150-200 lower receiver (bought locally)
60-90 Armalite, DD, Stag or RRA lower parts kit
25-35 bullet button
75 BCM stock/buffer assembly
425 BCM 16 mid-length upper
145 BCM BCG/CH
20 handguards
80-120 Troy, ARMS, MI, KAC, or carry hand sight
? 10rd mags x5
? ammo
15 cleaning kit w/ bore and chamber brushes

Sounds good. Mind pasting a link to the upper, and some other important parts? Thanks..

[C_1]

For the lower, I suggest you buy it locally; go into a gun shop, and find the cheapest, or the one you like the looks of best. Start the DROS and wait your 10 days. In the mean time, you can order your other parts.

As for the other parts, you want to group them together to save on shipping and what not. If you look at some of the links on top of the page, you can click on them, and see what they got. Figure out what you want and order everything from 1-3 places. I've ordered and shopped with PRK Arms, BCM, Midwest PX, Midway USA, Brownells, Rifle Gear, and a few others that Im forgetting..

The BCM upper can be found here. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-1...urg-mid-16.htm
Theres the option of adding a BCG and CH for only $145 more. And dont forget, the upper doesnt come with handguards so you need to buy a mid-length handguard.

If you're looking for a basic M4 stock, the BCM is pretty nice, if its in stock. Or if you want Magpul furniture, theres a great deal at DSG Arms for a Magpul MOE kit http://dsgarms.com/index.cfm/category/10/buttstocks.cfm

[C_1]

You're right - Best AR is sort of vague. But MOST guys who're looking to buy, will understand. Precision shooting is an all together a different sport. Most guys looking for AR's would be looking for something in a 16" carbine or Mid-length. I prefer a mid-length for it's benefits, and it's still the same size as a carbine (a whole different topic). And some would want 14.5" barrels. But we're talking majority of people, especially noobs who want a GOOD rifle, that will shoot well, be dependable, and accurate as a (non-precision, under 20") AR can be, and last for a long time ...

I didnt see that you wanted a mid-length 14.5" (with permanently installed muzzle device to make it a legal 16"). About the only place is BCM. In the drop down muzzle device option box, you can add a BCM A2X FH for $45 more, or the PWS FSC for $109.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14.htm

[.40Cal]

^^ C 1, thanks! The BCM looks good too. The link to butt stocks is good, but I wonder if there's anyone out there that does a package deal for stock, 9.0 rails, and grip.

Eventually, you've gotta add it all up vs a built rifle that usually has everything.

[.40Cal]

I didnt see that you wanted a mid-length 14.5" (with permanently installed muzzle device to make it a legal 16"). About the only place is BCM. In the drop down muzzle device option box, you can add a BCM A2X FH for $45 more, or the PWS FSC for $109.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-1...urg-mid-14.htm

Thanks, but I'd prefer the 16" middy (or a carbine $$ dependant). 16" is like Best of both worlds (short, yet versatile with ammo & range). Infact, I wouldn't mind (rather have) an 18" all-purpose barrel (kind of SPR barrel, in 1/7 or 1/8)

[C_1]

^^ C 1, thanks! The BCM looks good too. The link to butt stocks is good, but I wonder if there's anyone out there that does a package deal for stock, 9.0 rails, and grip.

Eventually, you've gotta add it all up vs a built rifle that usually has everything.

There are pros and cons to everything and buying a complete rifle versus assembling is no exception. I guess its on you to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of going either route.

That DSG package is a great deal. You wont find a MP MOE stock, MOE grip and MOE handguard (which you can sell), plus a complete DSA buffer assembly for a better price anywhere.

Rails are nice but most people dont really need it. But if you want a VFG, laser, lights, a bipod and whatnot, then go for it. Its your rifle. May I suggest the DD Omega rail?

Thanks, but I'd prefer the 16" middy (or a carbine $$ dependant). 16" is like Best of both worlds (short, yet versatile with ammo & range). Infact, I wouldn't mind (rather have) an 18" all-purpose barrel (kind of SPR barrel, in 1/7 or 1/8)

Haha. I read it wrong, I thought you wanted a 14.5". A 18" is not bad either but hard to find and usually more expensive. Cant go wrong with the BCM 16" middy.

[2600fromAtari]

I just might order myself that Spike's M4!!! Must...resist...

[RawImpact]

This is like saying the best car... there are multiple classes within. Also, best AR for the money will be one that is fully built. One with a top tier barrel can be had for ~800 to 900.

[Trendkill]

If you want a "premium" type lower parts all in one setup...check this out.

Three of these kits include all the parts needed to complete a stripped lower at a good value.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/lower-build-kits.php

[.40Cal]

I just might order myself that Spike's M4!!! Must...resist...

Dang! I think I'm gonna get one this week too.....before the good thing ends, cuz all good things seem to end soon.

I am looking at ALL options, as most noobs would be doing too, I imagine. But this seems very irresistable! $799 for a complete AR With specs that match DD, etc.