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[supersteve9219]

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[ke6guj]

From what I understand I can't buy a lower by itself because I am only 19, but I also heard on this forum that I can buy a lower if a dealer installs the stock. Is this true? And are there any dealers in the Los Angeles area that will do this?

no, ATF takes the position that by installing parts onto a stripped receiver, the FFL is acting as a manufacturer, and must be licensed as such. A dealer isn't normally licensed as a manufacturer. In addition, FET must be paid for each firearm that is made or has value added.

Or I am I better of waiting till im 21? (who knows what the laws will be then)
Or should I just look into buying a complete riffle? (would rather build it)

Your easiest way would be to just buy a complete rifle. Either buy it the way you want it, or buy it and plan on swappping stuff around to make it the way you want.

[aplinker]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=270035

Is there an FAQ for this on the Wiki?

Jack, you have a lot more patience than I.

[supersteve9219]

Thanks, was looking at this on RiffleGear.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-727-mega-complete-lower-kit-with-magpul-accessories.aspx

Is that a good deal?
Edit: Just saw its a kit...

[KING_PALM]

yeah that mega complete lower is a good price with the parts list.
also rifle gear is backed 1000%

[GearHead]

Just get the seller to send your FFL a complete lower, that's what I did. You'll spend a bit more but it's worth not having to wait 2 years.

[Flogger23m]

Buy a complete lower with stock installed.

That is what I did.

[supersteve9219]

yea I am going to check to see what rifle gear is offering in terms of lower+stock

[duesenberg1]

My dealer sells oll stripped lowers to anyone old enough to buy a long gun. I even asked him how old you have to be and he told me 18. He runs it through as a long gun on the background check. My question is if you do have to be 21 does that mean you also need the handgun safety card and can only buy one a month, just like a pistol? I have never been asked for my hsc when buying my lowers.

[qtmac_mien]

my buddy was 20 when he tried buying a stripped lower at our local gun shop but they wouldn't let him so his dad had to buy it for him

[Cokebottle]

My dealer sells oll stripped lowers to anyone old enough to buy a long gun. I even asked him how old you have to be and he told me 18. He runs it through as a long gun on the background check. My question is if you do have to be 21 does that mean you also need the handgun safety card and can only buy one a month, just like a pistol? I have never been asked for my hsc when buying my lowers.

Your dealer is risking their FFL.

California DROS classifies the lower as a "long gun", so the HSC/Safe handling demonstration do not apply, but the BATF 4473 is (or should be) written up as "other", which requires 21+.
Under 21 you also cannot purchase a shotgun with a pistol grip only such as the Mossberg Persuader/Cruiser.

[supersteve9219]

Your dealer is risking their FFL.

California DROS classifies the lower as a "long gun", so the HSC/Safe handling demonstration do not apply, but the BATF 4473 is (or should be) written up as "other", which requires 21+.
Under 21 you also cannot purchase a shotgun with a pistol grip only such as the Mossberg Persuader/Cruiser.

You can add your own pistol grip right? If not I better put my shoulder stock back on .

[duesenberg1]

doesnt the BATF 4473 have three options for gun type. It says handgun,long gun,both,which box would the dealer check?

[Rukus]

I believe its handgun, rifle and other.

Since it is not a handgun or a rifle it falls into the other category.

Other requires you to be 21 and up.

[Cokebottle]

You can add your own pistol grip right? If not I better put my shoulder stock back on .

Not sure what you are asking, but honestly, it sounds like you need to sell that lower and spend a LOT more time getting an education in California firearms laws.
Are you aware of SBR/SBS laws?
Are you fully aware of AW laws beyond what is in the flowchart?

If your lower is assembled to a centerfire, semiautomatic upper, and you have a pistol grip with no buttstock, you have created at the very least, an AW, and at worst, an SBR.
If the lower is not attached to the upper, then it doesn't matter if the buttstock is attached or not.

doesnt the BATF 4473 have three options for gun type. It says handgun,long gun,both,which box would the dealer check?

"other"... not "both"
Handgun, long gun, other

Other would include a stripped lower, or any gun that would normally be considered a long gun but lacks a shoulder-stock.

The stripped lower cannot be considered a long gun because it lacks a shoulder stock AND barrel.
It cannot be considered a handgun because it lacks a barrel.