Any legal issues with buying or owning body armor in CA?

[Good_Knight]

If not, where's a good place to buy it? And what should I look for when shopping for it? i.e. lingo, ratings, quality brands etc.

[Josh3239]

People on here like this: http://bulletproofme.com/

[technique]

From a "ballistic expert" here in Ca...best info I can find or have read is from this guy. Very smart.

You can read a lot of his stuff here: http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdispla...aysprune=&f=91


In order to provide protection against rifle threats in active shooter incidents and other high risk encounters, a large local LE agency is exploring a trial program of issuing Level III rifle plates & simple plate carriers for uniformed Patrol Officers to quickly don over their uniforms and concealed Level IIIa soft armor. Individual officer would also have the option of personally purchasing a plate system. Final plate selection is likely to be based on a combination of cost, weight, durability, and most importantly the ability to successfully defeat several common threats, including: 5.56 mm 55 gr M193 FMJ, 62 gr M855 FMJ, and 45 gr LeMas Land Warfare JSP; 7.62 x 39 mm 123 gr M43 type FMJ and 124 gr M67/8M2 type FMJ, 7.62 x 51 mm 147 gr M80 FMJ, 12 ga Federal Cartridge 1 oz slug (LEF127 RS).

As part of the procurement process, we tested six different Level III plates, from five vendors: Armored Mobility Incorporated (AMI) TAC3S single curve, Diamond Back Tactical (DBT) LTC27400 single curve, DefenseTech (DT) Defend-X IM-LCP-LIII triple curve, MSA/Paraclete (MSA) DHP3-1012 (cat #10098941) triple curve, and two triple curve plates from Tencate--a LE SAPI hybrid plate (TenH) and a compressed Dyneema plate (TenD) that is essentially identical to the previously tested AMI SAPI3 plate.

All plates tested were 10 x 12 inches. Plate weights varied due to design and construction differences:

AMI: 7.5 lbs--3 mm steel over compressed Dyneema
DBT: 6 lbs--8 mm aluminum oxide backed by what appears to be resin reinforced Kevlar
DT: 4.5 lb--Dyneema composite
MSA: 6 lbs--Aluminum oxide backed by compressed Dyneema, Gold Flex, and closed cel foam
TenH: 4.25 lbs--Aluminum oxide backed by compressed Dyneema and closed cel foam
TenD: 3.25 lbs--Compressed Dyneema

The plates was inserted into a 1000 denier Cordura plate carrier over Level IIIa soft armor panel (Twaron backed by Dyneema) and secured against a life-size curvilinear torso replica made of Perma-Gel. All shots were made at a perpendicular angle to the plate, with no oblique hits. Three shots of each rifle ammunition type were fired, with the desired shot placement to be one shot into each corner of a 3” equilateral triangle. In order to reduce the potential for AOA issues, the 5.56 mm and 7.62 x 51 mm shots were made at 25 yards using a 5.56 mm 20” barrel AR15 and a .308 26” barrel Remington 700. The available 7.62x39 mm and 12 ga weapon-ammo combinations proved to have insufficient accuracy to ensure accurate shot placement at 25 yards, so testing of these systems was conducted at 3 yards using a 16” barrel 7.62 x 39 mm AKMS and a 12 ga. 18” barrel Remington 870.

TEST RESULTS:

AMI: (vendor requested that one plate be used for all test shots)
3 shots M193 successfully stopped by the plate.
3 shots of M855 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of LeMas successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M43 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M67 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M80 successfully stopped by the plate
1 shot of 12 ga slug successfully stopped by the plate

DBT: (vendor only supplied one plate—this was totally destroyed by the nine 5.56 mm shots, so no larger calibers could be tested)
3 shots M193 successfully stopped by the plate.
3 shots of M855 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of LeMas successfully stopped by the plate

DT: (one plate used for 5.56 mm shots, second plate used for larger calibers)
3 shots M193 successfully stopped by the plate.
3 shots of M855 fully perforated the plate--2 were stopped by the soft armor, 1 penetrated through the soft armor
3 shots of LeMas successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M43 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M67 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M80 successfully stopped by the plate
1 shot of 12 ga slug successfully stopped by the plate

MSA: (one plate used for 5.56 mm shots, second plate used for larger calibers)
3 shots M193 successfully stopped by the plate.
3 shots of M855 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of LeMas successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M43 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M67 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M80 successfully stopped by the plate
1 shot of 12 ga slug successfully stopped by the plate

TenH: (one plate used for 5.56 mm shots, second plate used for larger calibers)
3 shots M193 successfully stopped by the plate.
3 shots of M855 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of LeMas successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M43 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M67 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M80 successfully stopped by the plate
1 shot of 12 ga slug successfully stopped by the plate

TenD: (one plate used for 5.56 mm shots, second plate used for larger calibers)
3 shots M193 successfully stopped by the plate.
3 shots of M855 fully perforated the plate and underlying soft armor
3 shots of LeMas successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M43 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M67 successfully stopped by the plate
3 shots of M80 successfully stopped by the plate
1 shot of 12 ga slug successfully stopped by the plate

Projectile Penetration Protection: The AMI plate offered the best PPP of any of the plates tested, followed by the MSA and TenH plates; the plate with the worst PPP for the threat rounds was the TenD.

Back Face Deformation: The AMI plate offered the least BFD, followed by the MSA plate; the plate with the greatest amount of BFD was the TenH.

Spall: The AMI, DT, and TenD plates had no detectable spall; the DBT plate exhibited an extensive, excessive amount of spall.

Plate Weight: The TenD was the lightest plate, followed by the TenH and DT; the heaviest plate was the AMI.

Durability: The most durable and robust plate appeared to be the AMI, followed by the DT and TenD; the most fragile plate appeared to be the DBT.

Annual X-ray Assessment: The AMI, DT, and TenD plates do not require an annual x-ray assessment; the DBT, MSA, and TenH plates ideally should have a yearly x-ray analysis to assess for hidden cracks in the ceramic elements.

Cost: The least expensive plate was the DBT; the most expensive plate was the AMI.

BOTTOM LINE:

If 5.56 mm M855 “green tip” was NOT a threat, then the DefenseTech Defend-X IM-LCP-LIII or Tencate Dyneema (or equivalent AMI SAPI3) plates would be reasonable options, however, given the scenario that the expected threat level included all the calibers and loads tested above, including M855, then:

-- If I knew I was getting out of my vehicle and walking directly into a gunfight, whether or not I had underlying soft armor, I’d want to be wearing AMI TAC3S plates.

-- If I was going to be spending a lot of time wearing my armor, needed to have a high degree of mobility, and always wore soft armor under my plates, then I would choose the Tencate hybrid LE SAPI plates.

-- The MSA/Paraclete plates are also high on my list for LE armor, as they offer good protection, can work without soft armor, are not too heavy, and are cost effective.

[professorhard]

I got front and rear level IV multi-hit ceramic plates from bulletproof me. Couldn't be happier.

[sytfu_RR]

Body Armor is not an issue, unless you're a convicted felon. Other than that you're GTG. However Level 4 stuff usually requires some type of credentials.


btw: why is this in the CenterFire Rifle Section?

[professorhard]

Level 4 stuff usually requires some type of credentials.

Umm no it doesn't. Don't spread FUD

[Good_Knight]

btw: why is this in the CenterFire Rifle Section?

Because I need protection from centerfire rifles.

[JeffM]

However Level 4 stuff usually requires some type of credentials.

Umm no it doesn't. Don't spread FUD

Not FUD. There are many vendors who will not sell to individuals without LE/DOD ID. Some places restrict higher levels of protection to DOD ID only. It's a fairly standard practice.


OP, start here:

http://www.itstactical.com/2009/04/08/soft-body-armor/

What threats will you be facing that will require armor?

[Good_Knight]

What threats will you be facing that will require armor?

You know, SHTF stuff. Btw, where is and how do I get to that thread?

[JeffM]

You know, SHTF stuff. Btw, where is and how do I get to that thread?

Haha... fixed it

What kind of SHTF stuff?

and what's your budget?

[Good_Knight]

Like Red Dawn stuff, uh April 26,1992 stuff...that kind of stuff.

My budget would be about a grand.

[THT]

Like Red Dawn stuff, uh April 26,1992 stuff...that kind of stuff.

My budget would be about a grand.

You can get multi-hit Level 4 plates from bulletproofme.com with side plates for about a grand. It's a heavy setup though.

[tombinghamthegreat]

legal to buy. Some vendors might only sell to government employees. bulletproofme.com seems to have some creditability on this forum.

[CaptMike]

Body Armor is not an issue, unless you're a convicted felon. Other than that you're GTG. However Level 4 stuff usually requires some type of credentials.

Unfortunately, Felons can now buy body armor again. the law banning it was overturned. here is a current artilcle on it

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-armor30-2009dec30,0,3378996.story

got to love our liberal california courts.

Hey, Felons need to be protected when they do a robbery, rape or murder. The cops shouldnt be the only ones protected. Did you Hug a thug today?
(By the Way, This last paragraph is all sarcasm)

[YFT4ME]

OK. What about this? put these plates in a crossdraw vest and you are good to go. For this price I'd almost be willing to buy an extra plate to test.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BODY-ARMOR-MEDIUM-VEST-2-plates-Level-IIIA-IIIa-WOW_W0QQitemZ140279229898QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20a94b2dca