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  • pacrimguru
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 3595

    Magpul AFG Opinions Thread. (and pics if you got 'em) Post 'Em Here!

    i see tons of opinions about Magpul's AFG scattered throughout various threads including sales threads and the earlier anticipation threads... let's get our opinions in one thread for the ease of reading and future searches.

    here's mine:

    Magpul AFG Impressions



    just a heads up on my initial evaluation on the AFG. i got 2 AFG's this week, mounted them, and then did the costa dance with them. to be honest, i'm not really sold on them. the angle on the AFG actually makes your grip less firm in a way. as you tug back, your hand kinda slides because of the angle. with the hand stop or vert grip, you get a really nice firm hold up front in the nook of a 90-degree angle. with these, you have to be careful not to slip since the angle naturally makes you do that. it's like you have to make an effort to death grip it to overcome the angle. (i'm not even taking into account extra slippage if your hands are sweaty or god forbid bloody.) it is comfortable though, but it also adds bulk up front. because it adds more material to the bottom of the rail, your hand has to overcome that extra height difference when you do the thumb over grip. in any case i will reevaluate these thoughts when i go shooting.

    there is a cool grip panel that allows you to switch from finger notch to smooth non-finger notch similar to the Magpul MIAD front strap options.

    note the different finger panels:


    it's great for carbine length forearms because it allows you a couple of extra inches of grip area under the FSB if you mount it right up front and let it kinda hang out. it's basically a guard from barrel or gas block burns. like i said before, as for a grip, i can't say i'm much of a fan. i feel that i have to make an effort to death grip the thing to feel secure with it, especially if you do the thumb over. don't get me wrong, it's a good grip, but i do feel the kac finger stop and tangodown stubby that i currently use give me better control and a much more positive grip on the fore end.

    on a carbine length, see how it can be mounted so it extends past the end of the rail:


    as for using it as a "non-fore grip", i wouldn't. this would be great on a pistol or featureless build but since it is much more substantial than a hand stop, i wouldn't take the risk. do not use these on your pistol and featureless builds until the AFG is proven not to be a "forward grip". which in my opinion is near impossible due to the name itself implies that it is a "fore grip" (which by definition, means "forward grip").

    of course, i might change my mind about the AFG's attributes after getting some more range time with it. but for now, i'm not rushing to get anymore. i'm actually going to invest in some more hand stops instead!

    side by side of a Magpul AFG and KAC Hand Stop:


    i think a more appropriate name for this product is Angled Hand Rest.

    anyone else that has one or has handled one want to chime in?
    Last edited by pacrimguru; 12-30-2009, 10:32 AM.
  • #2
    technique
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2008
    • 10639

    Initial impression:
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    • #3
      Ivanhoe
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 577

      Great pics and write ups! The best I've seen so far even after searching on Magpul's website. Either I missed it or they don't make it a priority to put their new items up quickly.
      Last edited by Ivanhoe; 12-30-2009, 10:38 AM.

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      • #4
        glock_this
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2005
        • 8225

        I plan to do my review in several sections as I only have it mounted up right now, but will not shoot for a few weeks.

        This review comes from the perspective of an average AR user - not a pro, but not a total novice. I will not read others reviews, so you might find redundant info, but unbiased info.

        I have done many reviews for many products over the years and will include pros and yes, cons as no product is perfect as I see it.

        1. INITIAL THOUGHTS & SETUP:

        It is pretty light weight. 80 grams total with all bolts and the finger nub installed. Length is about 5.5". Very esthetically pleasing unit no doubt. Now, 2 things that are issues for me right off the bat. 1) I never understood why companies would use 2 different bolt head types, needing 2 tools, on something so simple and small. You have to have a flat head to undo a pretty large center screw to secure to rail, and yet the 2 outlying are hex heads??? Why? And speaking of that, no hex head is included - though you do not need it to install as they are is just used to open the clam shell design and swap out the nub for the flat piece. Now you might think no big deal, but I have a box of hex heads, literally, and none of them fit. I happened to find 1 that fit for an EoTech site. And it has no stamp on it so I have no idea what size it is.

        SO, I slide it on and spend 5 minutes finding the sweet spot.. and this means, laser mounted on my left side has to go as it is right where my ideal grip will be, but no worries, I can flop it to right side and replace the pigtail to top of rail like they have shown in photos. The middle nub is going to stay for sure.. it fits right in between my fingers.

        I elected to put this onto a rifle that has a longer YHM Specter rifle length handguard/rail setup versus my shorter carbine length. I have been finding that with this rifle, that longer handgaurd kind of threw off the balance of the rifle for me so I hoped/surmised that using the AFG would allow me to hold out farther on the rifle in a more comfortable position as the placement of the FVG I had on there was good, but not ideal and since it is vertical, it was set farther back for my reach whereas the AFGs angle allows the more biomechanically correct feeling reach for me out farther and feels, just holding tests, a bit more comfortable.

        So far so good for feel, some of the bolt issues are bothersome and seem odd decisions, but for now... very pleasing to hold, easy to mount and setup.

        There are plenty of images on the product, so here are just 2 quickies on my rifle. I will have to play with it to get location just right so I grab far enough out, and yet feel comfortable, and test actually just holding it as it seems I tend to grab in slightly different ways each time I go to bring up the rifle - sometimes back on the AFG and sometimes farther forward - I suspect that is a placement issue to work out. muscle memory will help that in time when I find the perfect placement. owning it for 2 hours indoors can only do so much. As well, I have smaller hands, so never would fill the entire gripable area anyway.







        I was trying to come up with ways to be able to still actuate my laser with my thumb and initially thought the top rail would be good.. but actually, it was a lot easier of a thumb reach to twist the pigtail switch at an angle between the top and side rail. I can now functionally put my thumb on the top rail for stability as designed and yet, still just move the thumb to actuate the switch.
        10 +1 in the chamber

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        • #5
          glock_this
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2005
          • 8225

          Easy to add on a rail sling mount, I am sure you know, as you could go something like this. I have one on another AR of mine.



          I would think heat would never be an issue as (1) you/we have rail guards (insulation more or less) and (2) the aluminum hand guards should dissipate heat
          10 +1 in the chamber

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          • #6
            technique
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2008
            • 10639

            Well, For a sling mount...I went with the BFG UWL I don't like my sling mounted on one side or the other...it sucks when swapping from shoulder to shoulder IMO.

            For now...the triangular portion of the AFG is my sling loop. (until the UWL gets here)


            As far as heat goes, you can see here that my thumb rests in between the rails at the 9-10 o'clock position. Its also next to the FSB that gets very hot as well... I had issues with my VFG prior because it was so close to the FSB I would sometimes burn my hand on it when coming back from a reload.

            When it got hot with a VFG I could come down a bit farther on the VFG leaving only 2 fingers on the rail its self...that would get me far enough away from the FSB not to burn myself. I would still get heat on my thumb.

            See here:


            The first time I took out the AFG, I expended my load out...

            4x 30rnd P-mags on LBV
            1x 30rnd P-mag on my left side (belt)
            1x 30rnd P-mag in the gun
            2x 20rnd P-mag emergency only back ups on back side of vest

            = 220rnds

            I did this in less than 2-3min. I then put more through it just to keep playing.

            But by the time the 220 was expended...it was hot as usual. Yes, my hand is now protected on the bottom from the FSB but...when using the AFG ad intended (shown above pic), there isn't much to do about thumb position and feeling the heat...I can move it (my thumb) a tid bit more onto the XTM panel a and it helps.

            But keep in mind that was only after 220rnds....imagine being expected to expend more in a class of sorts..
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            Uber Alles California, Uber Alles California

            I am Governor Jerry Brown, My aura smiles and never frowns, Soon I will be President...

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            • #7
              pacrimguru
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 3595

              this is some great info guys! for a forum that was not offered these for Magpul's T&E, i see much more detail than i've seen on other boards in just these 3 reviews so far.

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              • #8
                technique
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2008
                • 10639

                pacrimguru, I suggest you flip your A2. It completely changes everything. I felt just how you do about the angle until I flipped it. Give it a shot, report back.
                California Uber Alles, California Uber Alles
                Uber Alles California, Uber Alles California

                I am Governor Jerry Brown, My aura smiles and never frowns, Soon I will be President...

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                • #9
                  Greg-Dawg
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 7793

                  Thanks for the review. I'll pass on it and stick with my Larue fore grip.

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                  • #10
                    pipboy
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 664

                    Excellent reviews everyone, thanks for the time/effort.

                    Pacrimguru, are there any fitting issues using the AFG on the MRP's rails in conjunction with the Tango Down panels on the side? I have a couple on the way for my MRPs and was curious. (Guess I'll find out for myself in a couple days)

                    I read on another site that there were fit issues with rail panels and the AFG on I think it was a Larue rail.

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                    • #11
                      djleisure
                      Veteran Member
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 4734

                      I just got my AFG in the mail along with this excellent DD upper that I scored for $699 from BCM. I haven't had a chance to actually shoot the darn thing yet, but I'll give my initial impressions. As you can see, I like it pretty far forward, but I'm 6'2" and tall and lanky, so I have long arms. I don't think it would be very comfortable on a carbine-length rail for me, but we're gonna try it on my wife's carbine and we'll see.

                      Upon initially trying it out I thought it felt VERY strange. I actually felt like I was twisting my arm in a weird way to make it work - the very thing they purport to solve with this AFG... BUT, after trying it out for a full day (pick up gun, quickly sight down barrel, set down gun, rinse/repeat,) I really got used to it and thought that it felt much more natural and would actually assist in holding the rifle steady for longer periods of time.

                      That's it! That's all I have to report for now - until I get it out to the desert for more "tactical usage" stuff...



                      I like it pretty far out on the rail.


                      Ad-hoc HD mode - this rail and the AFG perfectly place the TLR toggle right by my thumb! (and it doesn't block the irons)


                      Originally posted by pipboy
                      I read on another site that there were fit issues with rail panels and the AFG on I think it was a Larue rail.
                      It looks to me like you would have problems if you were overlapping the front end of the AFG with a side rail protector. This DD 12" rail is pretty narrow, so it and the Larue rail may be the only ones with that problem. YMMV!
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                      • #12
                        xr650r
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 700

                        They work really good for bayoneting.

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                        • #13
                          pacrimguru
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 3595

                          Originally posted by technique
                          pacrimguru, I suggest you flip your A2. It completely changes everything. I felt just how you do about the angle until I flipped it. Give it a shot, report back.
                          great idea, will do!


                          Originally posted by pipboy
                          Pacrimguru, are there any fitting issues using the AFG on the MRP's rails in conjunction with the Tango Down panels on the side? I have a couple on the way for my MRPs and was curious. (Guess I'll find out for myself in a couple days)

                          I read on another site that there were fit issues with rail panels and the AFG on I think it was a Larue rail.
                          no fittment problems with tangodown panels on the lmt mrp or vltor vis, also no problems with the kac ras and kac panels.


                          Originally posted by xr650r
                          They work really good for bayoneting.
                          HAHAHAHA


                          btw, nice looking rifle dj.

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                          • #14
                            djleisure
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 4734

                            Originally posted by pacrimguru
                            btw, nice looking rifle dj.
                            Thanks, pac! Good idea starting this thread, I'm sure there are a lot of people on the fence about these (well, besides the people that bought 6 the second they were available )
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                            • #15
                              seal20
                              Veteran Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 3081

                              Here's mine. I like it. People who haven't developed any sort of preferred method of holding their rifle say it feels perfect.
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