Is it okay to have...

[stix213]

Your tool to drop a mag being attached to the rifle is EASILY arguable that it is now part of the rifle, which would let you then drop the mag without a tool (since its no longer a separate tool, you are pressing something on the rifle to drop the mag)

That equals illegal AW. I'd convict you

[Josh3239]

The FUD is strong in this thread.

Your tool to drop a mag being attached to the rifle is EASILY arguable that it is now part of the rifle

Sticking a tool inside your rifle's pistol grip makes it no longer a tool and part of the rifle? Says who, certainly not the PC. Assuming it is part of the rifle, so what? What about it being part of the rifle is wrong? Stix, I am not picking on you I just zeroed in on your argument.

Their is a clear difference between sticking someone in the "funnel" of your bullet button and sticking a inert cartridge in your pistol grip. Their is nothing in the PC (atleast that I am aware of and if there is I would love to hear it) that even hints that the tool cannot be in anyway associated with your rifle.

Seriously people lets think about this. What do we know about the law in regards to this. That the bullet button has to work as it is designed (in other words no sticking things like the freelock tool in there) and that a tool must be used to release. The DOJ specifically says that a bullet tip is a tool. Using that information how does a bullet tip stop being a tool if it is put in a pistol grip. According to the DOJ a bullet tip is always a tool. How does attaching a tool to a rifle by a string make it no longer a tool? How does a tool alter the workings of a bullet button? As I said, there is a clear difference between keeping a bullet tip in your pistol grip and shoving the freelock tool into your bullet button and using your finger to remove it. From my understanding, a bullet tip only cannot be considered a tool if it is shoved into the bullet button's "funnel" like a free lock tool as it is no acting as a part of the release allowing finger manipulation.

[seal20]

The FUD is strong in this thread.



Sticking a tool inside your rifle's pistol grip makes it no longer a tool and part of the rifle? Says who, certainly not the PC. Assuming it is part of the rifle, so what? What about it being part of the rifle is wrong? Stix, I am not picking on you I just zeroed in on your argument.

Their is a clear difference between sticking someone in the "funnel" of your bullet button and sticking a inert cartridge in your pistol grip. Their is nothing in the PC (atleast that I am aware of and if there is I would love to hear it) that even hints that the tool cannot be in anyway associated with your rifle.

Seriously people lets think about this. What do we know about the law in regards to this. That the bullet button has to work as it is designed (in other words no sticking things like the freelock tool in there) and that a tool must be used to release. The DOJ specifically says that a bullet tip is a tool. Using that information how does a bullet tip stop being a tool if it is put in a pistol grip. According to the DOJ a bullet tip is always a tool. How does attaching a tool to a rifle by a string make it no longer a tool? How does a tool alter the workings of a bullet button? As I said, there is a clear difference between keeping a bullet tip in your pistol grip and shoving the freelock tool into your bullet button and using your finger to remove it. From my understanding, a bullet tip only cannot be considered a tool if it is shoved into the bullet button's "funnel" like a free lock tool as it is no acting as a part of the release allowing finger manipulation.

This is an interesting point of view. Anyone else like to chime in?

[aplinker]

Seal, this isn't a new discussion. These arguments have been hashed multiple times before.

I gave you the "accepted/current" interpretation about where to draw the line.

You're clearly protected if it can't be used while attached (i.e., it's definitely a tool). Whether or not you're safe when it's capable of being used when attached to the rifle is open to debate.

It's your $ and freedom at trial. Make your own choice.

[Super Spy]

If I take a small screwdriver and attach it to a retractable lanyard, I don't see how anyone could argue that it's anything but a tool regardless of what it's attached to. Granted if I attached it to the bullet button and it stayed on, an argument could be made. I've seen a small fingertip screwdriver before, I think you'd have a hard time calling that something other than a tool. If you have to take something other than your finger and stick it in the hole to get it to release, it's a tool.........like some people here at times

[killshot44]

Simple. Get a 32" dog-tag-style necklace & put your BB-tool on it. Got just the right amount of dangle () to be in the right spot to use.

My work here is done.

[IrishPirate]

Not to nitpick, but would any sort of "tool" attached to your finger (like the stylus http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/11/19/...arison_review/) or via a pin permanently attached to a glove violate any law? I've seen some guides on modifying shooting gloves to have a simple "pin" come out of the index finger, allowing magazine changes almost as easy as a regular mag release.

nope, as long as it's not attached to the gun, it can be attached to anything you want. I invented the bullet button glove......apparently long after someone else already did . anyways, yeah, make yourself something cool just to piss off your closest liberal

[WeekendWarrior]

WWRTW

[sevensix2x51]

this is exactly why my next build is featureless. i am tired of worrying about where i can hang my dongle.

my 2 current bb rifles will stay as-is, so they can come with me to colorado and i wont look ridiculous, but from here on out, it's funny-lookin grips and thread protectors for me...

[justbill5789]

When in doubt or there a gray area, err on the cautious side. The little bit of hassle is not worth me spending my time and money trying keep or get my rifle back. Me, I am going to put mine on the bench or on a lanyard on my vest. Of course, this is America and we are all free to choose.

[justbill5789]

When in doubt or there a gray area, err on the cautious side. The little bit of hassle is not worth me spending my time and money trying keep or get my rifle back. Me, I am going to put mine on the bench or on a lanyard on my vest. Of course, this is America and we are all free to choose.

[VaderSpade]

I always use a bullet out of one mag or another.

I guess whenever I attach my mag to my gun I could be asking for trouble???

[seal20]

I always use a bullet out of one mag or another.

I guess whenever I attach my mag to my gun I could be asking for trouble???

LOL. Funny we are arguing about a tool. When we all know a 5.56 out of a BB equpped CA rifle will just as much damage/harm as one with a 30rd mag and a normal mag release.

[aplinker]

I always use a bullet out of one mag or another.

I guess whenever I attach my mag to my gun I could be asking for trouble???

I would say you can 100% safely use it, but only if you can use that specific bullet when it's not attached to the gun (the method you state is obviously safe)

If it's simultaneously attached to the gun and usable as a tool, it's not 100% safe.