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[Addax]

Rock River Arms makes a nice entry stock that fits properly. You'll run into the buffer tube if you go upside down with it though. Try it right side up first see how you like the feel. Most people who've shot it prefer the right side up stock.


Gunsmoke Enterprises makes a really short pistol tube that may fit with the A2 inverted stock but I think you'd have trouble getting that tube to cycle properly with a carbine or rifle length upper. It might even be dangerous. It's made for AR pistols.

That is one of the configurations I was thinking about running with my mid-length upper.

Decisions Decisions...

Once I get the full production unit you shipped out to me, I will get a configuration together so I can show all the local Calguns guys up here in SFV.

Thanks for making a product for CA.

Regards,
Chris

[DarkHorse]

I got a better picture of the small gap I was talking about.


I also tried it on my Stag-15 with similar results; the gap was still there, but it was smaller.
It looks like the portion of the lower that interferes has a flat edge, and the grip has a radiused edge.

Can you post a picture of this with a standard A2 stock? (Would it fit?)

This grip will not work with an A2 stock in the normal position; you can't just replace your grip and call it a day like with a MonsterMan.
Also, consider that this grip moves the vertical mounting plane of the buttstock back ~2.75 inches, so the LOP with an A2 stock would be rather long.
A typical A2 is 13.5 from the face of the trigger, whereas this grip would make it a touch over 17 inches.

[gn3hz3ku1*]

thanks for taking care of the CA guys.. please tell the texas guys to sell to us when you are out there shooting with them.

[sevensix2x51]

but also spreading the word that you are not the enemy, that you're outnumbered and trapped behind a wall of liberal / socialist BS and you could use our cooperation (including shipping of firearms and ammo) to help beat this crap back and keep it from spreading.

WOLVERINES!!!

sorry, had to do it.

thanks for helping us out, youre alright, for a deserter.

[glock_this]

I admit that I can't say I am a fan of going this featureless route and would not ever likely, BUT that being said, this is the best execution of the concept I have seen hands down. More modular than the others and in my book, that alone makes it come out on top as options are always good.

you should get Ten Percent FA to update his page and add your photo and info

[Chaingun]

I got mine yesterday, and got around to installing it today, along w/a Magpul trigger guard. I haven't taken it out yet, so none of my comments refelct any range handling.

The grip itself seemed well-made, and it would definitely suck to get beaned with one. The fit was a little off, as the small rise along the top ran into the receiver too early, so the grip is slightly tilted, resulting in a slight gap of about 1/32" at the back. This is not enough to angle the grip significantly, and since this rifle won't be entered into any beauty contests, I don't see it as a major issue.

I don't have huge hands, so I have to do a slight shift in my grip to reach the mag release. However, I think this may be more due to my stock of choice, as my fingertip just barely reaches the edge of the button, but my ACE M4 SOCOM stock (fixed in place, of course) has a 1/2" collar in place of a typical 1/16" sling plate. Also, that collar has some sharp edges which could cause some comfort issues. I believe that could be said for any plate, though.

Reaching the safety with my firing thumb is not going to happen, and I don't have an ambi safety, so I just slide my firing hand underneath the trigger guard to flip the lever with my middle finger, and it seems to work well for now.

Overall, I'd say I'm happy with the feel of the grip. The only issue I had that would be related to the grip itself was the fitment issue, but with all of the different lower manufacturers out there, I'm sure this is bound to happen.

Gratuitous gun pr0n - Kaiser Defense KR-5 lower, ACE M4 SOCOM buttstock (adjustability removed!), DPMS LPK, Noveske 16" Recce Basic upper w/VTAC handguard, PWS TTO comp, Rubbermaid laundry hamper


ETA - You know, it'd be neat to have a little cap for the back of the grip, so it could be used for storage by those of us that don't use it to mount the stock. Maybe long enough to fit a pair of CR123's or a spare bolt.

I'm wondering if that bump were removed, your hands web could slide into that region, and be a bit closer to the mag release.

I might have to try one, and probably have longer fingers than yours, which would allow easier access to the mag release.

That or modify a MM grip, or for hahas, mold one out of clay and build a mold for injection molding. But these take time, and this is already done. A possible lunch project.

[DarkHorse]

I'm wondering if that bump were removed, your hands web could slide into that region, and be a bit closer to the mag release.

I might have to try one, and probably have longer fingers than yours, which would allow easier access to the mag release.

That or modify a MM grip, or for hahas, mold one out of clay and build a mold for injection molding. But these take time, and this is already done. A possible lunch project.

The collar is the only thing making the mag release difficult for me. I tried it w/o the collar, and it was fine. The collar is about 1/2 inch, and I can just barely touch the edge of the button; not enough to drop a mag, though. I ordered an Arrendondo mag release from Midway (C&R discount!), and I think that will solve the problem.

[TheRossRocket]

!!!!!!

More photos from the TGT Range Day, these of the Tactical Bay's Range Officer:









The Range Officer was the only shooter I've talked to (who's actually held the gun) who preferred the stock to be in the inverted position.

Edit to add: No one complained about any muzzle rise due to the stock being off-axis from the barrel. We put about 200 rounds through it today including some rapid fire and kept 'em all on target. Had to sit through two hot/cold range cycles to let the barrel cool down enough to bag it up.

I think the idea is great! but could one of you help me solve something?

If you look at the second picture, look at the web of his hand! It is now under the top of the exposed part of the trigger!

(maby its just the angle but that still brings the question to my mind)

Any one have input on whether or not that is going to cause a problem with the whole pistol grip thing?

[Bhobbs]

That is definitely an awesome product I may have to look into for my 2nd AR build but it amazes me we have to find these creative ways to enjoy our rights as Americans. Can you imagine if we had to jump through so many hoops to use a computer or telephone. Those were not around during the time when the 1st amendment was made so the Founders certainly could have never imagined them being made.

[SlowArrow]

Cool colors.......is the price the same?

[dcbiii]

1) Coming from the machining world, I doubt (no matter how tight your tools\machines tun) that you'll ever get rid of that gap. Too many different receiver manufacturers, different radii on that rear face, and different polishing\bead-beadblasting. The fact that you got it that close without fit issues is a feat in itself.

2) I have always, always, always loathed featureless builds because of how hideous the grip options were....this changes everything. Now considering a featureless build because of this product!

[SlowArrow]

1) Coming from the machining world, I doubt (no matter how tight your tools\machines tun) that you'll ever get rid of that gap. Too many different receiver manufacturers, different radii on that rear face, and different polishing\bead-beadblasting. The fact that you got it that close without fit issues is a feat in itself.

Most of the areas that result in the gaps I'm guessing are "as forged" (they just have to clean up the forging flash) and there will be a slight difference in each forging. I would think that the CNC blocks that make the Hammerhead are going to be much more repeatable. Gaps happen - and there is nothing our exiled friend can do about them.

2) I have always, always, always loathed featureless builds because of how hideous the grip options were....this changes everything. Now considering a featureless build because of this product!

I'm in the same boat as you.....didn't want to build a featureless because they just seemed awkward. BB are fine to punch holes in paper, or plink around, but I would like to take a carbine course or two and the fast mag changes would be a plus there (at least it seems to me). I also have a lot of Hi-Cap Mags and would love to be able to use them. So I've started a featureless build. I've already bought a MMG, and a Solar Tactical - and now I'm about to order up a HH. Figure I'll try all three and see what one works best for me......but I'm thinking the HH will be the one. I've already ordered the ACE stock and RRA pistol tube, so I'm kinda leaning in a direction.

[Flat Broke]

I think the idea is great! but could one of you help me solve something?

If you look at the second picture, look at the web of his hand! It is now under the top of the exposed part of the trigger!

(maby its just the angle but that still brings the question to my mind)

Any one have input on whether or not that is going to cause a problem with the whole pistol grip thing?

[mds2004]

Here are two more pictures to add if you were to fix a collapsable stock. Note that I have the Raddlock in still and in the locked position because of the stock is not fixed and because of the PWS FSC556. I just wanted to see how it would feel. I will write more on it later but wanted to throw some pictures of the grip now. I will put more pictures up when I can get someone else to take a picture of me and the few different ways I like to hold it.

[mds2004]

Nice photos. Would like to feature those on a "customer photos" page on our website. What scope is that?

Sure go ahead and use em. Its a Nikon Buckmaster scope.