Bullet Button + Prince50 combined?

[Adog5]

Would it be possible to combine these 2 ideas into one mag button? From a legal standpoint I know it may be redundant, but I have my reasons. I believe that it wouldn't cost much more to produce, but would give an option and extra protection. One of my reasons - the Bullet-button is new and people may freak out at the range. If I sense this, I could just screw in the Prince50, so if I get pulled over by LEO when I exit the range, I'm still good and don't have to explain and become the next legal guinea pig spending lots of money to get back my rifle. Without this option, I couldn't switch my bullet button out unless I removed all my evil features... and I'm not planning on doing that at the range.

I'm wondering if anyone else out there thinks it's a good idea?

[thomye]

i have little expertise in this area however based on my bullet mag release i got in the mail yesterday, i'm going to say no. it looks as if the outter button is of fixed length. it cannot be compressed. The inner silver button, the one that holds the spring in place is what depresses. with the allen version, the button goes down but the screw is what determines the fixed length. if you screw it in, the length of the screw touch the back wall of the lower keeps you from pressing the button.

so my guess is no unless they redesigne the whole thing from scratch but based on the principles of each design, i don't think you can.

[shark92651]

It seems to me all you have to do is leave an empty mag in the rifle. People have had their rifles confiscated WITH the Prince50 in it so I don't see how that is going to protect you from LEOs that are ignorant of the law. Probably your best defense is to fully understand the law so that you can explain your rifle should you ever find yourself in that situation.

Anyway, I just had a thought if you are really the paranoid type. Just drill and tap one or two holes in the outer button and screw a plate in place that covers the hole. I still think that is unnecessary, however as the letter of the law is the letter of the law. If it makes you nervous then perhaps you should just shoot a Kel-Tec rifle.

[Prince50]

It already exists. It is the bullet button, with the spring replaced with a spacer the same length as the spring.

Once you replace the spring with a hard spacer, it acts just like a Prince50 mag lock.

I can offer the spacer as an option if people want it, or just add it in to the package and raise the price $1 to the distributors.

Whaddya think?

Darin

[shark92651]

I think that is a pretty cool idea. Reverting back to the old style Prince50 would be a pain with the press-fit of the outer button. Switching back and forth would be even more of a pain if using lock-tite. Is there much movement of the inner button when not using lock-tite - should this be a big concern?

[xenophobe]

If you are worried about the bullet-button, you can still leave a fixed 10 round magazine, and break the rifle open to top load. In any case, you should never transport or store your bullet-button rifle without a 10 round magazine locked into place. The only time you should remove the magazine is at the range when you are loading and when clearing a jam. Otherwise a 10 round mag should always be in the rifle.

If you are intimidated by the bullet-button, you should not be using it at all.

[thomye]

It seems to me all you have to do is leave an empty mag in the rifle. People have had their rifles confiscated WITH the Prince50 in it so I don't see how that is going to protect you from LEOs that are ignorant of the law. Probably your best defense is to fully understand the law so that you can explain your rifle should you ever find yourself in that situation.

Anyway, I just had a thought if you are really the paranoid type. Just drill and tap one or two holes in the outer button and screw a plate in place that covers the hole. I still think that is unnecessary, however as the letter of the law is the letter of the law. If it makes you nervous then perhaps you should just shoot a Kel-Tec rifle.

in your opinion, what better between the two? i like the bullet mag release cuz it's persistant. i have to use the bullet every time but with the allen wrench model, it more like an on/off button. as soon as i loosen it enough to actuate the spring, i'm now holding an assualt rifle. is this the reason people have had it confescated? i'll have to look at the older threads.

thanks

[taquito971]

Not having ever seen one, what if the bullet hole was tapped for a set screw?

Brian

[Prince50]

If you tapped the bullet hole, then it might bind on the button. If the button was allowed to bind, while the mag catch was in the open position, then it might be an AW till you pushed it back in.

Spacer for $1 might be great for some, but it defeats the purpose of the BB, and the rifle would have to be taken apart before removing the spring and adding the spacer. I'll sell them (the spacers) if it is requested.

Darin

[shark92651]

in your opinion, what better between the two? i like the bullet mag release cuz it's persistant. i have to use the bullet every time but with the allen wrench model, it more like an on/off button. as soon as i loosen it enough to actuate the spring, i'm now holding an assualt rifle. is this the reason people have had it confescated? i'll have to look at the older threads.

thanks

No, the case with swimmingpoolguy was that his rifle was confiscated with a properly configured Prince50. The police actually used a mallet to remove the magazine (guess the whole set screw concept was a bit much for them to grasp). They charged him with possesion of an AW but later the charges were dropped (they clearly realized he was within the law). Of course, it caused a big hassle for the guy and he had to fill out a form and pay some money to get his rifle back. Last I heard he may not of gotten his rifle back yet.

Here is the thread if you want to read it - unless I am confusing it I recall the reason the cops took possesion of his rifle was because of a fight with his parents and they called the cops on him, reporting that he had an assault rifle!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=42068