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What's up guys. After searching the forums for a bit, I couldn't find any conversations about what the best .223 auto loaders are for different situations.
I've been considering three:
The Ruger Mini-14 with the thumbhole stock. I like quite a few things about this rifle:
1: the thumbhole stock feels like a pistol grip when you hold it and there are no fixed-mag restrictions with this particular one. Apparently this IS illegal without a fixed mag. So it's definitely out.
2: the wide variety of accessories and mods available
3: If, god forbid, I ever have to defend myself with it, no prosecutor (if it comes to that) will have a "scary" looking "assault weapon" to show a jury and make me look like some gun-crazed whack-job.
Cons:
1: I hear accuracy and reliability aren't all that great
2: the price for a new one starts well-above 1k.
3: Mags are expensive.
The Kel-Tec SU-16
Pros:
1: It's cheaper than the mini-14 by quite a bit.
2: It's compatible with AR-15 mags
3: from what I hear, the accuracy and reliability are a bit better than the Mini-14
Cons:
1: it looks "scary" (scarier than the mini-14 anyway)
2: not as many accessories available
and finally,
The Saiga .223
Pros:
1: they're cheap
2: reliable
3: Can Take AR mags
Cons:
1: it's "scary"
2: Not too accurate
(Admittedly, I don't know too much about this rifle)
EDIT: Everyone seems to be pushing for an OLL AR-15. And as this is supposed to be the definitive .223 autoloading thread, I would be remiss to not include them. So, why don't you guys start throwing out some suggestions keeping in mind 1: affordability, 2: reliability, and 3: accuracy
EDIT 2:
So it's down to two choices on the AR configs for me:
Something like this:
Pros:
1: the U15 stock, which allows me to use detachable mags.
2: Accurate
3: Reliable
Cons:
1: More expensive than the Saiga or the Kel-Tec
2:I get no other evil features
3: It's ****ing ugly.
(is there any way to remove that stock rod sticking out the back of it?)
Or this:
Pros:
1: Dead ****ing Sexy
2: With a bullet button, I'm allowed all the evil features I want.
3: Accurate
4: Reliable
Cons:
1: More expensive than the Saiga or the Kel-Tec
2: I have to use a bullet button (although this might not be the worst thing ever)
3: Again, "scary." But a lot of the comments so far have put me at ease.
How bad is the bullet button, really? Is it that big a pain in the ***?
As of right now, I'm leaning towards the AR, but please feel free to educate me about the pros and cons of each of these rifles. Also, if you feel I might be better served by any other options, please let me know.
I will be using this gun primarily for target shooting and home defense. I seriously doubt I'll ever go hunting with it; I already have some bigger caliber bolt-action rifles for that. (I already own a Mossy 500, for those of you suggesting I buy a shotgun)
I've been considering three:
The Ruger Mini-14 with the thumbhole stock. I like quite a few things about this rifle:
1: the thumbhole stock feels like a pistol grip when you hold it and there are no fixed-mag restrictions with this particular one. Apparently this IS illegal without a fixed mag. So it's definitely out.
2: the wide variety of accessories and mods available
3: If, god forbid, I ever have to defend myself with it, no prosecutor (if it comes to that) will have a "scary" looking "assault weapon" to show a jury and make me look like some gun-crazed whack-job.
Cons:
1: I hear accuracy and reliability aren't all that great
2: the price for a new one starts well-above 1k.
3: Mags are expensive.
The Kel-Tec SU-16
Pros:
1: It's cheaper than the mini-14 by quite a bit.
2: It's compatible with AR-15 mags
3: from what I hear, the accuracy and reliability are a bit better than the Mini-14
Cons:
1: it looks "scary" (scarier than the mini-14 anyway)
2: not as many accessories available
and finally,
The Saiga .223
Pros:
1: they're cheap
2: reliable
3: Can Take AR mags
Cons:
1: it's "scary"
2: Not too accurate
(Admittedly, I don't know too much about this rifle)
EDIT: Everyone seems to be pushing for an OLL AR-15. And as this is supposed to be the definitive .223 autoloading thread, I would be remiss to not include them. So, why don't you guys start throwing out some suggestions keeping in mind 1: affordability, 2: reliability, and 3: accuracy
EDIT 2:
So it's down to two choices on the AR configs for me:
Something like this:
Pros:
1: the U15 stock, which allows me to use detachable mags.
2: Accurate
3: Reliable
Cons:
1: More expensive than the Saiga or the Kel-Tec
2:I get no other evil features
3: It's ****ing ugly.
(is there any way to remove that stock rod sticking out the back of it?)
Or this:
Pros:
1: Dead ****ing Sexy
2: With a bullet button, I'm allowed all the evil features I want.
3: Accurate
4: Reliable
Cons:
1: More expensive than the Saiga or the Kel-Tec
2: I have to use a bullet button (although this might not be the worst thing ever)
3: Again, "scary." But a lot of the comments so far have put me at ease.
How bad is the bullet button, really? Is it that big a pain in the ***?
As of right now, I'm leaning towards the AR, but please feel free to educate me about the pros and cons of each of these rifles. Also, if you feel I might be better served by any other options, please let me know.
I will be using this gun primarily for target shooting and home defense. I seriously doubt I'll ever go hunting with it; I already have some bigger caliber bolt-action rifles for that. (I already own a Mossy 500, for those of you suggesting I buy a shotgun)
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