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  • TonyMang_89
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 844

    AR15 Legallity

    the way i understand it i can not purchase a stripped lower being that I am only 19.

    but can i purchase a complete lower half? and then a complete upper put a bullet button on it and 10 round mag and be fully legal?


    WTB SKS
    Winchester Model 12, 1200 or 1300
    older 870 Wingmasters in 12 or 20 gauge in SoCal/IE
  • #2
    zach
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 19

    I was 18 and bought a complete lower and upper

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    • #3
      ke6guj
      Moderator
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2003
      • 23725

      IIRC, tenpercentarms was told by his ATF inspector recently that if it isn't complete with barrel assy, it isn't considered a rifle, even if the lower has a shoulder stock. So, no complete lowers (without uppers) to 18-20 year olds.
      Jack



      Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

      No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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      • #4
        TonyMang_89
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2009
        • 844

        ok. so i have to buy a complete ca legal rifle at this age
        i cant build one myself


        WTB SKS
        Winchester Model 12, 1200 or 1300
        older 870 Wingmasters in 12 or 20 gauge in SoCal/IE

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        • #5
          Eckolaker
          Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 497

          Originally posted by TonyMang_89
          ok. so i have to buy a complete ca legal rifle at this age
          i cant build one myself
          You could have a friend over 21 purchase the parts for you and build it. Then you just need to PPT the fully assembled CA legal rifle to you.
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          • #6
            dieselpower
            Banned
            • Jan 2009
            • 11471

            Originally posted by Eckolaker
            You could have a friend over 21 purchase the parts for you and build it. Then you just need to PPT the fully assembled CA legal rifle to you.
            You need to re-think that whole statement.....

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            • #7
              sevensix2x51
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 3835

              Originally posted by dieselpower
              You need to re-think that whole statement.....
              +1. there are plenty of complete rifles on ca store shelves. you are going to have to pay the under 21 tax buying a complete rifle, but hey, do you want one or not?

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              • #8
                Josh3239
                Calguns Addict
                • Dec 2006
                • 9189

                Originally posted by dieselpower
                You need to re-think that whole statement.....
                He isn't suggesting a straw purchase. There is nothing illegal about buying a lower, building it, and PPTing it to a friend. Intent doesn't have anything to do with a straw purchase.

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                • #9
                  Unit74
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2359

                  Why are the OLL's regulated like a pistol? Seems that he should be able to buy a rifle lower and build it up.

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                  • #10
                    SoCalRandy
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 570

                    Originally posted by TonyMang_89
                    ok. so i have to buy a complete ca legal rifle at this age
                    i cant build one myself
                    Where are you located? I'm sure if you posted your location people can recommend some good gun shops in your area.

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                    • #11
                      Josh3239
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 9189

                      Originally posted by Unit74
                      Why are the OLL's regulated like a pistol? Seems that he should be able to buy a rifle lower and build it up.
                      They aren't. One can, but like many things in this world there are age restrictions.

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                      • #12
                        Vinz
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 2874

                        Originally posted by TonyMang_89
                        ok. so i have to buy a complete ca legal rifle at this age
                        i cant build one myself
                        yes you can. If my buddies wife can put one together on the kitchen island, anyone can.

                        edit: copy that....carry on.
                        vinz
                        Last edited by Vinz; 10-13-2009, 6:51 PM.
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                        • #13
                          ke6guj
                          Moderator
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 23725

                          Originally posted by Vinz
                          yes you can. If my buddies wife can put one together on the kitchen island, anyone can.


                          vinz
                          His question was not related to his ability to put one together, but the legality of him putting one together. Since he can't purchase a stripped receiver or complete lower until he turns 21, he can't "put together" a complete rifle, but must purchase one already assembled.
                          Jack



                          Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                          No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                          • #14
                            TonyMang_89
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 844

                            i am in so cal. near san bernardino.
                            cold war shooters is the closest place that knows anything about ar15's


                            WTB SKS
                            Winchester Model 12, 1200 or 1300
                            older 870 Wingmasters in 12 or 20 gauge in SoCal/IE

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                            • #15
                              Darklyte27
                              Calguns Addict
                              • May 2008
                              • 9372

                              off topic, but can you believe kids now in high school never were alive in the 80s? they look at the 80s like I looked at the 70s, i only heard of and seen things on tv of the 70s..
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