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  • Gun_Fanatic
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 38

    922r how does it work

    If I read this correctly, 922r only comes into effect when you modify an assault rifle. So when I get a new stock for my saiga, in order to keep it legal within federal laws, I have to start replacing gas pistons, foregrips, and such and I have to reach a certain amount of parts. Did I interpret that correctly?
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    69Mach1
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    • Jan 2006
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    It deals with imported long arms specifically. When you modify the imported rifle, or assemble one with foreign made parts.
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      Merc1138
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      • Feb 2009
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      What 69mach1 said. And btw, stop using the brady bunch anti-gun crowd term "assault rifle". Your Saiga isn't an "assault rifle", it's not even fully automatic(and even that doesn't make something an assault rifle per se.), it's an anti-gun buzzword to make things sound more evil than they really are.

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        Gun_Fanatic
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        • Sep 2009
        • 38

        ok sorry for using that term. so then how many us made parts do I need to put in the saiga. the stock and pistol grip are two and the fore grip is one and the gas piston is another so all together I have four. Is that enough? also the mag lock.

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        • #5
          Merc1138
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          • Feb 2009
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          In the link 69mach1 posted, toward the top is another link to the main 922r page, hit that link and scroll down. It explains how to count the parts, as well as a little worksheet to help you count parts, as well as links to firearms specific worksheets like an SKS or Saiga. When you're done reading that, make sure there aren't any other links you've missed, if you have, then go read those too.

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          • #6
            IsaacGlass
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            • Apr 2009
            • 2591

            Read whats on the GunWiki site, do some research and if you still dont understand or have more question come back and post those specific Q's.

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            • #7
              69Mach1
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              • Jan 2006
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              Some people curse 922r, but I think it's great because it totally gets around the "assault weapons" import ban of 1989. Not particually suitable for "sporting purposes" (925D). Not a problem. Change this here, replace those there and BAM! Identical rifle, but now legal.

              BATF, what a bunch of........
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                Merc1138
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                • Feb 2009
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                Originally posted by 69Mach1
                BATF, what a bunch of........
                People that gave us an un-enforceable law that so long as everyone follows it gets us passed some silly anti-gun bs in this instance? I'm not into the whole russian rifle thing myself, but to be honest it seems like the only real purpose is to give some american companies a way to make some cash off of cheap russian surplus.

                And yeah, I'd rather have no restrictions at all, but this one... nowhere near as bad as some of the others.

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                • #9
                  Gun_Fanatic
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                  • Sep 2009
                  • 38

                  I read all the gun wiki stuff and as far as I understand it, if I start putting assault rifle stuff on my saiga like a pistol griop and adjustable stock, then I have to start replacing parts on and in the gun with american parts. According to the tapco website I need six parts, is that correct?

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                    69Mach1
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                    • Jan 2006
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                    Originally posted by Gun_Fanatic
                    I read all the gun wiki stuff and as far as I understand it, if I start putting assault rifle stuff on my saiga like a pistol griop and adjustable stock, then I have to start replacing parts on and in the gun with american parts. According to the tapco website I need six parts, is that correct?
                    Yes, but a stock Saiga requires less.
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                      Originally posted by Merc1138
                      People that gave us an un-enforceable law that so long as everyone follows it gets us passed some silly anti-gun bs in this instance? I'm not into the whole russian rifle thing myself, but to be honest it seems like the only real purpose is to give some american companies a way to make some cash off of cheap russian surplus.
                      And yeah, I'd rather have no restrictions at all, but this one... nowhere near as bad as some of the others.
                      If only that was true.

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                        Gun_Fanatic
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                        • Sep 2009
                        • 38

                        What do you mean a stock saiga?

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                        • #13
                          djleisure
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                          Originally posted by Gun_Fanatic
                          What do you mean a stock saiga?
                          A "stock" Saiga is a Saiga fresh out of the box, in its original sporting layout. I believe a stock Saiga only requires the replacement (or removal of) four foreign parts. A bullet button does not count towards 922r, because you are not replacing a foreign part. Think of 922r as the "absence of" foreign parts not the "presence of" US made parts. You can throw all kinds of US made stuff on your gun, but if you still have more than 10 foreign made parts on it (ones that count towards 922r) then you are still in violation.
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                            IsaacGlass
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                            • Apr 2009
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                            Originally posted by djleisure
                            A "stock" Saiga is a Saiga fresh out of the box, in its original sporting layout. I believe a stock Saiga only requires the replacement (or removal of) four foreign parts. A bullet button does not count towards 922r, because you are not replacing a foreign part. Think of 922r as the "absence of" foreign parts not the "presence of" US made parts. You can throw all kinds of US made stuff on your gun, but if you still have more than 10 foreign made parts on it (ones that count towards 922r) then you are still in violation.
                            Well said djleisure. You hijack his learning experience, oops I guess this is part of that cycle. A stock Saiga in sporting configuration doesnt come with a pistol grip which is why it wasnt checked on the worksheet. But these US made parts do count towards 922r parts replacement. Follow the links and read the parts count then head over to this link http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildS...rifyCompliance and check off each part you are going to replace.








                            Last edited by IsaacGlass; 10-09-2009, 4:38 PM.

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                            • #15
                              ar15barrels
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                              Originally posted by djleisure
                              A "stock" Saiga is a Saiga fresh out of the box, in its original sporting layout. I believe a stock Saiga only requires the replacement (or removal of) four foreign parts. A bullet button does not count towards 922r, because you are not replacing a foreign part. Think of 922r as the "absence of" foreign parts not the "presence of" US made parts. You can throw all kinds of US made stuff on your gun, but if you still have more than 10 foreign made parts on it (ones that count towards 922r) then you are still in violation.
                              This is the best description in this thread.

                              922r does not require ANY us made parts.
                              It just forbids more than 10 foreign made parts.

                              So, if the gun would function with less than 10 of the specifically listed 922r foreign parts, you are good.

                              However, when you start removing parts like stocks, pistol grips, pistons and triggers, the gun often won't function.
                              That's why you have to put US made parts on it.
                              US made parts are NOT FOREIGN MADE.
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