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  • scidx
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1160

    optimum barrel length

    I was talking with someone about carbine barrel length and the person mentioned 18" being the optimum barrel length, any more only improves velocity. Now, I'm not one to believe anything until I see evidence. I've been searching and have come up empty. The person suggesting 18" is a talented and studied shooter so it sparked my curiousity. Isn't optimum barrel length based on individual cartridges? I'm not talking about max downrange performance, but ballistic stabilization. Inconsiderate of wound capability, Is 18" standard for optimum stabilization of any common rifle cartridge (above 2000 fps)? i.e. Can you hack 2 inches off a 20 inch barrel, professionally, and still produce an accurate shooter? Does anyone have the info or know where I can find it? Thanks.


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    SLYoteBoy
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 840

    18" for all rifles? I dont know if thats correct. I would assume not , like you said , caliber and twist , fps , and bullet weight specific. those are all variables.
    Originally posted by jumbopanda
    Are we talking taking the tip off every time or just hitting it somewhere along the shaft? The latter is not that impressive. Not saying it's easy, but I'm sure many people could do it. I could probably do it myself at least 50% of the time.

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    • #3
      technique
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      • Jan 2008
      • 10639

      I can answer 1 of your questions.

      "can you chop a 20in to 18in?"

      Yes, the one with the vortex was a 20in Colt H-bar...cut to 18in.
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      • #4
        CSACANNONEER
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        • Dec 2006
        • 44092

        18" is not the optimum length for all rifles or even all rifles of any given caliber. There are so many variable in the equation that it's obvious your source is just talking out of his donkey.......
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        • #5
          tomd1584
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2008
          • 5895

          if you mean optimum 'carbine' barrel length, i'd think it would be 14.5", right?

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          • #6
            technique
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            • Jan 2008
            • 10639

            Originally posted by tomd1584
            if you mean optimum 'carbine' barrel length, i'd think it would be 14.5", right?
            12.5in-13.5in, if you ask me.....YMMV

            14.5in-16in for a mid.
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            • #7
              SuperSet
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              • Feb 2007
              • 9048

              If they're talking the optimum 3-gun rifle, 18" is the most popular.

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              • #8
                OutlawDon
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2006
                • 3138

                Originally posted by scidx
                The person suggesting 18" is a talented and studied shooter so it sparked my curiousity.


                Optimum for what??

                There is NO one size fits all here. You wouldn't ask someone to bring a 28" barreled rifle to CQB, nor would you ask a benchrest shooter to use a 10" barrel for the most accurate precise shooting.

                And accuracy and barrel length are independent variables.

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                • #9
                  technique
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                  • Jan 2008
                  • 10639

                  Originally posted by SuperSet
                  If they're talking the optimum 3-gun rifle, 18" is the most popular.
                  Probly....

                  Check out pic #7 and #12 here http://demigodllc.com/articles/evolu...actical-rifle/

                  That 17in looks bad ***!
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                  • #10
                    cal3gunner
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                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1629

                    ...
                    Last edited by cal3gunner; 09-11-2013, 2:16 PM.

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                    • #11
                      CSACANNONEER
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                      • Dec 2006
                      • 44092

                      Originally posted by cal3gunner
                      Yes, you can shorten a barrel and it will stay accurate or even become more accurate.

                      You guys are not talking about accuracy, you're talking about precision. Or, at least posting pictures of percision groups. Accuracy is about having your POI as close to possible to your POA. Precision is about shooting small groups. So, accuracy can be adjusted by adjusting your sites/optics. Precision is much harder to acheive. But, yes, when a barrel is cut down and recrowned it can become more accurate and/or more precise but, it can also go the other way. It will depend on the barrel and how well the work is performed. BTW cal3gunner, nice looking rifle. The uppers cool but, I'd rather have your lower instead. I'm just too cheap to buy one of those Timmney Triggers right now.
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                      • #12
                        BillyGoatMachine
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                        • Nov 2008
                        • 2886

                        Think of it this way. By cutting the barrel you do not lose bullet accuracy, only bullet velocity. If you are trying to shoot longer distances, then you will lose accuracy due to the fact that the bullet is traveling slower and can't reach the longer distances. So, in a sense, a longer barrel is more accurate and not. It depends on what you plan on using the rifle for.
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                        • #13
                          ar15barrels
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                          • Jan 2006
                          • 56963

                          Originally posted by technique
                          Probly....

                          Check out pic #7 and #12 here http://demigodllc.com/articles/evolu...actical-rifle/

                          That 17in looks bad ***!
                          Personally, I run a 17.5" barrel.
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                          • #14
                            ar15barrels
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                            • Jan 2006
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                            Originally posted by tomd1584
                            if you mean optimum 'carbine' barrel length, i'd think it would be 14.5", right?
                            Optimum barrel length for a carbine gas system is 12.5".
                            Randall Rausch

                            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                            Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                            Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                            • #15
                              ar15barrels
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                              • Jan 2006
                              • 56963

                              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                              But, yes, when a barrel is cut down and recrowned it can become more accurate
                              and/or more precise but, it can also go the other way.
                              I have not had a SINGLE complaint or comment EVER about a degradation in precision on the hundreds of barrels I have shortened.
                              I have had LOTS of accolades for them getting more precise though.

                              I attribute most of this to the poor quality of factory crowns.
                              The increase in rigidity from making a barrel shorter is probably a much smaller part of the equation.
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                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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