Foxtrot Mike ranch rifle and lower

[Angrysnarf]

Coming soon

[Lonestargrizzly]

Thats hot.
I want to put a wooden stock on it.

[Angrysnarf]

Wonder if the fm15 BCG fits in a regular upper

[sigstroker]

Unlikely. There needs to be room for the recoil/oprod system. And isn't it side charging?

[Angrysnarf]

Unlikely. There needs to be room for the recoil/oprod system. And isn't it side charging?

Oh yea, it is but not like brn 180

[k1dude]

Hopefully the price isn't inflated like the Fightlite SCR. If they can make it reasonable, it will crush the SCR.

[Angrysnarf]

Hopefully the price isn't inflated like the Fightlite SCR. If they can make it reasonable, it will crush the SCR.

$300 for lower only plus whatever the stock would cost then the upper. Seems like they both even out price wise.

[vf111]

Hopefully the price isn't inflated like the Fightlite SCR. If they can make it reasonable, it will crush the SCR.

Maybe, maybe not. The SCR accepts standard AR uppers (if you change out the standard bolt carrier to Fightlite's rat-tail one) while the FM requires a proprietary upper. Come to think of it, I wonder if the PSA Jakl can be made to work with the FM?

[Cal Lefty]

Hopefully the price isn't inflated like the Fightlite SCR. If they can make it reasonable, it will crush the SCR.

I'm so glad to see another player in the compliance options for restricted states. I'm really not a fan of Thordsen stocks, fin grips, maglocks, etc. I still think the SCR is the best compliance option because it basically gives you a Ruger Mini-14, but compatible with the AR ecosystem of uppers, barrels, magazines, etc. I also really like the traditional hunting rifle/shotgun profile from an aesthetics point of view.


But these have problems too. Like most traditional stocks, the end user will need to raise the comb height somehow, with a cheek riser. It's hard to change the stock to one that has a higher comb height (like a Boyds or Magpul stock) because of a buffer tube that angles downward into the stock for the SCR BCG to interface with. If you want a Boyds or Magpul stock on the SCR, you have to eliminate the angled SCR buffer tube and choose an upper that has the bolt/BCG and recoil system entirely contained within the upper.

SCR people can use things like the Foxtrot Mike upper which also has the benefit of ambidextrous side charging ability. The charging handle is also in the front which is kind of interesting.


Or you can use a Brownells BRN-180 or PSA JAKL.

How do these systems compare for reliability, felt recoil, and ease of cleaning? Can anyone add their experience or educated guess?

Here is a hypothesis:
1. Traditional AR may be the "most" reliable because of the long distance of the buffer tube, the robust BCG, and the traditional DI system?
2. The SCR may be the second best because the BCG and buffer tube still have long travel but angled downward. It's probably not as good because of the rat tail hinge?
3. The bufferless systems (FM15, BRN-180, JAKL) might not be as good because the BCG is even smaller and the recoil system is even shorter. It might be more prone to short stroking? Feeding or ejecting problems?

Is my hypothesis right or wrong? What do people think?

And regarding the FM15 lower as a compliance option, I don't know if it can mate with a Magpul SGA stock for instance? If it needs a pistol grip, then it doesn't work for compliance purposes. Can it be mated to a traditional stock format? The SCR may still have a niche that nobody else has entered?

[Angrysnarf]

For the price I?d prolly get another scr but I already got two?..

I have a brn upper already that I would put on this lower. But not a lot of people do and they are pricey. Now it?s just decision on what stock. I asked and they said only Remington stocks.

Both scr and this will not be cheap. Can?t get an ar for about 400 then another $20 to 100 to make it compliant.

I hope these take off in sales to encourage more manufacturers to hop on. I did think scr would have too.

[Cal Lefty]

Oh whoah. I missed a detail in your original post. This lower is new, called the Ranch Rifle lower, and it is designed specifically for traditional stocks (like 870). Wow, so you CAN put a Magpul SGA stock. Wow. That is interesting.

[Cal Lefty]

I have a brn upper already that I would put on this lower. But not a lot of people do and they are pricey. Now it?s just decision on what stock. I asked and they said only Remington stocks.

What do you think of the BRN-180? Are you happy with it? Reliability? Ease of cleaning?

What do you mean they (I assume you mean Foxtrot Mike) said only Remington stocks? If you can put it on an 870, you can put it on this Ranch Rifle lower?

[Angrysnarf]

Foxtrot Mike ranch rifle and lower

What do you think of the BRN-180? Are you happy with it? Reliability? Ease of cleaning?

What do you mean they (I assume you mean Foxtrot Mike) said only Remington stocks? If you can put it on an 870, you can put it on this Ranch Rifle lower?

Fm said only Remington stocks work (didn?t mention 870 when I asked)

I got it for the scr but didn?t wanna shave anything off so it sat. I only greased up the naughty bits so can?t say anything about reliability or ease of clean. It?s piston so I?m gonna run it til it run no more once I get this lower.

Most likely gonna put on a magpie sgastock

[walmart_ar15]

BRN-180 = AR180. piston operated AR designed by Stoner, father of AR. For countries that stay with sheet metal stamping.

FM Upper - DI gas system, with modified short BCG that uses AR180/SIG recoil spring concept.

Both are perfectly fine.

AR uses buffer tube to allow the bullet flight path and opposite recoil to travel a long straight line to the shoulder. Suppose to provide better control. Piston, and internal receiver recoil system like the AR180 put the recoil force above the chamber, thus impose an element of torque to raise the muzzle.

Whatever floats your boat.

Would love to buy the FM receiver. But no one has them yet it seems. Would make a bird head handled pistol (outside CA)

[70runner]

$300 for lower only plus whatever the stock would cost then the upper. Seems like they both even out price wise.

Yea, I'd call it a draw price wise and the SCR will work with any AR15 upper. Another traditional stock AR option, avoiding the Kali handgrip nonsense, is a good thing.