What non .22LR would you take to a 25m Appleseed Shoot?

[jarhead714]

2 to 3 MOA is better than I was expecting. I thought we would be looking at twice that. Do you recall your grain of LR? I'm guess something heavier than 40?

40 grain copper plated round nose. CCI AR22 at $40 a box for 300 cartridges.

[larkja]

I?d love to do this but I believe the 2 day course runs 200 rounds. I could practically buy an entire 10/22 and tech sights for what I?d pay in ammo.

Exactly what I was thinking. You could pick up a new 10/22 for $350 OTD plus a 1,000 rounds of .22lr for less than $100 OTD.

Then you'll have a good setup for any future appleseeds and you won't have to worry about it

[M1NM]

I jokingly mentioned a Garand and that would be epic but at $1-$2 CPR that would be like $400 at the end of a 2 day course.

Way back when you had to shoot a DCM match in order to qualify to purchase an M1 from .gov (and you could only by one in a lifetime) I took my National Match Garand. The guy at the range wondered why I wanted another one - duh...... The next dummy was at the post office who told my wife "you can't ship a gun through the mail". She informed him she didn't ship it the US government did and he should take up any problems with them.

Cheapest way buy a 10/22 or other SA 22LR new or used shoot the match and resell the gun if you decide you don't like it. Don't forget a few extra mags

[Mayor McRifle]

I’ve been to two Appleseeds and made Rifleman both times with a 10-22 set up as a Liberty Training Rifle (https://appleseedinfo.org/pdf/LTR.pdf). I always wanted to go back and make Rifleman with a Mini-14 (.223), an M1A (.308), and an M1 Garand (.30-06), but I haven’t gotten around to it yet. Maybe it’s time.

[PogoJack]

What non .22LR would you take to a 25m Appleseed Shoot?

I?ve only been to a 1-day and my takedown did terribly, had to finish with an American Rimfire and due to the required cadence, couldn?t qualify with the bolt.

I?m getting that 20 inch HBAR Sporter Match/Competition hybrid, should be good to go.

[PogoJack]

What non .22LR would you take to a 25m Appleseed Shoot?

Exactly what I was thinking. You could pick up a new 10/22 for $350 OTD plus a 1,000 rounds of .22lr for less than $100 OTD.

Then you'll have a good setup for any future appleseeds and you won't have to worry about it

Basic wood for $260 shipped.

https://www.defensedepot.com/product/ruger-1103-10-22-carbine-22-lr-101-18.50-satin-black-hardwood-right-hand

Beautiful varmint version. $300

https://shop.chartertactical.com/products/rifles-ruger-31166-736676311668-640

Not my cup of tea, but an M1-carbine tribute with ghost ring sights. I guess you wouldn?t need the tech sights with this one.

https://tombstonetactical.com/product/10-22-rifle-22-lr-18-5in-15rd-m1-carbine

[RNE228]

M1 sights are pretty good. There's a lot of aftermarket sights that are excellent.

10-22 benefits from the Techsights. One, because it's a nice aperture sight. Two, it mounts at the back of the receiver, so it gives a longer sight radius.

When I went about 10 years ago I used a RRA Match A2 with a Ceiner conversion and CCI AR22 and the results were astounding. I never considered using my 10/22 because the sights suck compared to A2 sights. I mean ALL sights kinda suck compared to A2s.

[xblax619]

I?ve been to 2 so far. saw a couple ARs in 556/223. saw 1 guy with a ruger pcc in 9mm. had a buddy who told me he brought his sks to one. guy next to me had a bolt action cz (don?t remember if it a 455 or 457). pretty sure it was in 22lr but it?s possible he had his in 17hmr.

i used a m16a2 clone in 22lr for my first but switched to the scoped 10/22 for day 2. i really wanted to use the irons but my 40-yr old eyes weren?t up for it. the littlest targets were too much of a blur. got my patch on the second go around after a couple minor tweeks to my set up.

[PogoJack]

When I went about 10 years ago I used a RRA Match A2 with a Ceiner conversion and CCI AR22 and the results were astounding. I never considered using my 10/22 because the sights suck compared to A2 sights. I mean ALL sights kinda suck compared to A2s.

I heard that using conversion kits will foul up your gas tube due to the dirtiness of 22LR. Did you find that to be true? I also heard shooting regular 556 will blow out the crud.

[DoNotReply]

https://www.tech-sights.com/ruger-products/

[ar15barrels]

If I could not take a 22LR, I would take a 22 Short or 22 Long or even an airgun.
There's no need or want for anything centerfire at 25yds.

We have a local one coming up in a couple of months and I don?t feel like buying a bunch of 10/22s.

What iron sights center fire rifle that allows sling manipulation would you recommend?

Was thinking of the M1A but at 25m the .308 would seem too much for those little targets at so short a distance and also in a line.

Would next best be an AR15 with A2 carry handle sights? Got one of those.

Thinking of using a 22lr CMMG kit on a sacrificial PSA beater and MBUS/A2 combo for the wife, though I tried it at the range and it was jamming like crazy with my ?guila ammo.

I jokingly mentioned a Garand and that would be epic but at $1-$2 CPR that would be like $400 at the end of a 2 day course.

AK? SKS?

What have you done or seen at Appleseed shoots and who have you seen qualifying?

[ar15barrels]

I?ve only been to a 1-day and my takedown did terribly

Is this a takedown 10/22?
Do you have the barrel tensioned properly?
The barrel should be very snug when you turn it into place.

If it's NOT snug, you are leaving accuracy on the table as the barrel is moving around in the receiver while the bullet travels down the barrel.

[PogoJack]

Is this a takedown 10/22?
Do you have the barrel tensioned properly?
The barrel should be very snug when you turn it into place.

If it's NOT snug, you are leaving accuracy on the table as the barrel is moving around in the receiver while the bullet travels down the barrel.

It was a store bought 10/22 with the Magpul x-hunter takedown stock. Takedown nut was tightened down. Problem was that the various sling methods seemed to pull on the barrel and would distort the sight alignment. My takedown now has the backpacker stock and the optic mount on the barrel and works great, but the hangar is probably too far back to work with the sling techniques that Appleseed trains for.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

It's a 25m event. No need to go crazy and overthink it. Why waste a ton of money on ammo bringing a centerfire rifle when the purpose of the class is to learn the fundamentals of marksmanship and how to use a loop sling properly?

Both Appleseed events I've been to I've taken a bolt action .22LR simply because that's all I had. The overwhelming majority of people seem to bring a simple 10/22 with a low power scope mounted far forward. Irons/peep sights are going to be frustrating, especially if you have older eyes. There have been a couple AR-style .22LR's and there's one guy who had a really nice, top of the line KIDD Supergrade with what looked like a telescope mounted on it. Last class I was at a guy had a right-handed .22LR bolt action Ruger American with peep sights that he was shooting left-handed(!), but the majority of people seem to be running 10/22's (ranging from stock to heavily modded) with a lower powered scope. Focus more on the techniques being taught in the class and less on the gear. If you do decide to not bring a centerfire and instead go with a rimfire I'd also recommend something that had some adjustment to the stock. A magpie stuck that allows you to add or remove spacers to adjust the LOP and cheek riser will help you dial it in to fit your body. If you go with a scope make sure you have the ability to move it further forward on the receiver than you think so you have proper eye relief when shooting prone while "turkey necking".

Whatever you bring, just make sure you bring the actual sling they recommend and you're able to attach it properly to whatever rifle you bring. Seems like there are a couple in each class I've been to that either bring a differnt sling than recommended and/or didn't have a way to properly attach it to their rifle. The class is based around learning how to use the loop sling, so if you can't use it the the way they're going to teach you how to us it, you're going to be at a big disadvantage and get frustrated. Sort all that out beforehand.

[smoothy8500]

purpose of the class is to learn the fundamentals of marksmanship and how to use a loop sling properly

Focus more on the techniques being taught in the class and less on the gear.