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[Armytop]

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[Oldmandan]

I understand that we as a loyal and government fearing California population can NOT have a FOLDING or collapsible rifle stock .
How about a FIXED but removable stock.
Wouldn't it make is easier to store or pack out as needed?

Just asking.

Seems dumb to me. Most of the stocks on my rifles are removable, and I never remove them. Why would I?

What am I missing here?

[beanz2]

I understand that we as a loyal and government fearing California population can NOT have a FOLDING or collapsible rifle stock .
How about a FIXED but removable stock.
Wouldn't it make is easier to store or pack out as needed?

Just asking.

Unless removal of the stock makes the gun inoperable, removing the stock makes it a pistol. Not OK in Cali. In other states, only OK if the gun started life as a pistol and got converted to a rifle.

[BillSmith]

To answer the question of why, transportation is one answer. As well as a smaller package, so to speak, a rectangular shape to house a rifle might pass as luggage and minimize attracting suspicious eyes to more obvious bags.

If the removal or folding of a stock still leaves the rifle at legal length, no problem. Solution to my desire to have bring a scoped bolt action rifle to more manageable dimensions.

Or if the folding stock somehow rendered the rifle inoperable. That would make the length issue moot.

[ar15barrels]

Unless removal of the stock makes the gun inoperable, removing the stock makes it a pistol. Not OK in Cali. In other states, only OK if the gun started life as a pistol and got converted to a rifle.

Removing the stock actually makes it a title 1 other because you can't make a pistol from a rifle.
Title 1 others actually have more AW restrictions than rifles or pistols do.

[Dan_Eastvale]

So removing a stock for cleaning, repair, or replacement makes it temporarily illegal?

[SVT-40]

So removing a stock for cleaning, repair, or replacement makes it temporarily illegal?

It could if, with the stock removed it's under length and can be fired with the stock removed.

[Quiet]

I understand that we as a loyal and government fearing California population can NOT have a FOLDING or collapsible rifle stock .
How about a FIXED but removable stock.
Wouldn't it make is easier to store or pack out as needed?

Under CA laws...
CA assault weapons laws restricts a semi-auto centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine from having a folding/telescoping stock.
CA assault weapons laws prohibits a semi-auto centerfire rifle from having an overall length of less than 30".
CA assault weapons laws prohibits a semi-auto centerfire firearm that is not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun from having an overall length of less than 30".
CA SBR laws prohibits a rifle from having an overall length of less than 26".

Therefore...

It is CA legal for a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed 10 or less round magazine to have a folding/telescoping stock as long as the overall length is 30" or greater with the stock folded/collapsed and non-permanently attached muzzle device removed.

It is CA legal for a semi-auto centerfire rifle to have a detachable stock and the rifle can fire with the stock removed, as long as the overall length is 30" or greater with the stock removed and non-permanently attached muzzle device removed.

If is CA legal for a rifle to have a detachable stock, as long as rifle can not fire with the stock removed.

So removing a stock for cleaning, repair, or replacement makes it temporarily illegal?

It could if, with the stock removed it's under length and can be fired with the stock removed.

And this has been established by CA case laws regarding SBRs. [People v Rooney, 1993]
This case resulted in the felony conviction for possessing an illegal SBR being upheld by the Courts.
The case involved a semi-auto AK style rifle with a detachable shoulder stock.
The rifle was discovered in an unlocked bag with the shoulder stock removed and stored with the rifle.
The rifle could still fire without the stock attached and the rifle's overall length without the stock attached was less than 26", which meets the CA definition of a SBR [PC 17170(b),(c)].



Penal Code 17170
As used in this part, "short-barreled rifle" means any of the following:
(a) A rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(b) A rifle with an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(c) Any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive.
(e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

[kcheung2]

So removing a stock for cleaning, repair, or replacement makes it temporarily illegal?

The following portion is key:

Unless removal of the stock makes the gun inoperable, removing the stock makes it a pistol. Not OK in Cali. In other states, only OK if the gun started life as a pistol and got converted to a rifle.

For example, a HK91/PTR91 type has a removable stock, that's legal because removal makes it unable to fire.

I guess going back to OP's [now deleted] question, that would be somewhat kinda maybe useful for transporting in a smaller container, but it's certainly not something I would do. I don't want the risk of my fully lubed bolt sliding out in a now suddenly opened up receiver.

[BrokerB]

SKS comes apart pretty dam easily

[dfletcher]

The following portion is key:



For example, a HK91/PTR91 type has a removable stock, that's legal because removal makes it unable to fire.

I guess going back to OP's [now deleted] question, that would be somewhat kinda maybe useful for transporting in a smaller container, but it's certainly not something I would do. I don't want the risk of my fully lubed bolt sliding out in a now suddenly opened up receiver.

The HK will fire - once. But like the M1 Carbine won't function. Lever actions will fire and function.

I'm not quite sure what all that means. Legally. The only time I have the stock off something like a Marlin 336 or Winchester 94 is about 3am, in my skivvies watching Mannix. I think there's an exemption there, somehow.

[ar15barrels]

The HK will fire - once. But like the M1 Carbine won't function. Lever actions will fire and function.

I'm not quite sure what all that means. Legally. The only time I have the stock off something like a Marlin 336 or Winchester 94 is about 3am, in my skivvies watching Mannix. I think there's an exemption there, somehow.

The rifle and other AW laws only apply to semi-auto centerfire rifles and centerfire semi-auto others.

You don't need to be concerned with manually operated rifles.