any experience on SOLGW M4-89 13.7

[makran]

Hello guys!
short background: I live in CA but because of the laws and limitations I've never thought about owning a rifle, and enjoyed only handguns, going to the range from time to time. Sometimes I'm considering about moving in another state and it just doesn't make sense to buy some rifle that won't be useful in another state and I won't be able to sell.
But recently I've found this one:

https://sonsoflibertygw.com/solgw-m4-ca-compliant/

https://sonsoflibertygw.com/new-product-behind-enemy-lines-ca-compliant-solgw-rifles/

They say they do the built-in CompMags that can be removed in a short time and if I move elsewhere I don't have to sell the rifle and can just remove the compmags without visiting gunsmith.
So does anyone has experience with these new rifles?
What I'm looking for:
- ar15 5.56 13.7
- fully legal that I can obtain from the FFL
- fully assembled by one company, I'm very new to this area, I don't want to combine uppers/lowers myself or do anything with a fixmag.
- can remove fixed mag later if I need to.
- good quality and reliability

Is this good way to go?
Here is some example:

https://www.guntraderden.com/product/42168/solgw-m4-89-137-ca-comp-tgr-eye

How do you think about value?

Thank you.

[ar15barrels]

Compmag is a fixed magazine.

[makran]

Compmag is a fixed magazine.

I know it is, I just want to make sure it's not welded to the lower receiver and it can be removed without gunsmith. Also I want to make sure it has all the standard parts like magazine release button and stuff.
If you are aware about other suppliers doing same finished designs like SOLGW, I'll be interested to check them out as well.

[Angrysnarf]

any experience on SOLGW M4-89 13.7

I know it is, I just want to make sure it's not welded to the lower receiver and it can be removed without gunsmith. Also I want to make sure it has all the standard parts like magazine release button and stuff.
If you are aware about other suppliers doing same finished designs like SOLGW, I'll be interested to check them out as well.

It can be removed with a tool when opening the action

[jimbo74]

Well, you can't get a 13.7" barrel, without a permanently attached muzzle device making it 16" or longer ---- looking at what you posted they say their 13.7" is still 16" which means they are adding at least 2.3" of muzzle device on there.... definitely a nope. no reason other than you want to say you have a 13.7, although it's really not. the longer the barrel, the more accurate.

Also, your 2 choices are fixed mag, or featureless.

Featureless does not allow a folding/telescoping stock, or pistol grip, or flash hider for starters.

[makran]

I can be removed with a tool when opening the action

thank you

Well, you can't get a 13.7" barrel, without a permanently attached muzzle device making it 16" or longer ---- looking at what you posted they say their 13.7" is still 16" which means they are adding at least 2.3" of muzzle device on there.... definitely a nope. no reason other than you want to say you have a 13.7, although it's really not. the longer the barrel, the more accurate.

thank you, that is indeed a useful advice about 16", I'll look at it instead.

how about overall SOLGW quality? I've watched few reviews, they are mostly positive

[ar15barrels]

they say their 13.7" is still 16" which means they are adding at least 2.3" of muzzle device on there....

It takes a muzzle device at least 2.95" long to safely exceed 16" with a 13.7" barrel.
This is because the barrel has 5/8" of threads which the muzzle device overlaps.

The math is barrel length minus muzzle thread length plus muzzle device and washers/shims length equals total legal barrel length after perm attach.

[jimbo74]

It takes a muzzle device at least 2.95" long to safely exceed 16" with a 13.7" barrel.

This is because the barrel has 5/8" of threads which the muzzle device overlaps.



The math is barrel length minus muzzle thread length plus muzzle device and washers/shims length equals total legal barrel length after perm attach.

Same thing. Still 3" of not barrel. Still need 16"

[ar15barrels]

Same thing. Still 3" of not barrel. Still need 16"

My point was that you said it takes a 2.3" long muzzle device and that a 2.3" long muzzle device will not get a 13.7" barrel over 16" because the muzzle device overlaps the barrel.

[jimbo74]

My point was that you said it takes a 2.3" long muzzle device and that a 2.3" long muzzle device will not get a 13.7" barrel over 16" because the muzzle device overlaps the barrel.

Still needs a 16" barrel fir non-nfa


OP wanting a 13.7 is cool for bragging right maybe, but still needs to be over 16" for a rifle. Doesn't matter if it's a 7.5" barrel, or 10" or whatever. Still needs to be 16" minimum

[sigstroker]

"Barrel" in that contest means the straight thing sticking out of the receiver. It can be 1" of barrel and 15" of muzzle device if it's permanently attached. I think it's Taran Tactical that builds PCC's with 4 inch barrels with a 12 inch tube added on to make them super lightweight.

[waygeekierthanu]

We have veil solutions tomahawks in stock and the 13.7 uppers, if you want to come play! The stuff 8s in our upland location now, but we can send to Riverside if needed!

[SigSauerP226]

Jimbo you seem confused? The barrel can be 13.7? as long as it has a muzzle device permanently attached bringing the barrel and muzzle device overall length to 16? or longer. The ones the OP posted already come with permanently attached muzzle device so they are legal with their 13.7? barrel.

OP o believe SOLGW has a good reputation as far as quality, my only concern would be the CompMag, as I had feeding issues with both that I bought. They are super easy to install and take out and require no modification to the lower, which is why I was excited to try it. If they put it altogether and ensure function, it?d likely be a great gun. If the CompMag didnt work out, like poster said above, you separate the receivers, use the tool and drop the Compmag and do something else.

[kcheung2]

... Sometimes I'm considering about moving in another state and it just doesn't make sense to buy some rifle that won't be useful in another state and I won't be able to sell.
...
They say they do the built-in CompMags that can be removed in a short time and if I move elsewhere I don't have to sell the rifle and can just remove the compmags without visiting gunsmith.
So does anyone has experience with these new rifles?


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You have some underlying assumptions here that's not true.

1) it's not that hard to make an AR ca-compliant, regardless of which method of compliance. No gunsmithing required.
2) it's just as easy to convert it back to free state configuration. Some conversions take more time than others, but we're talking about a difference of 10-15 minutes for the more involved processes vs a few minutes for the simpler conversions.

I don't know what you mean by "useful in another state". Every one of my rifles is ca-compliant and they are all equally useful here or in a free state. Even if I kept them in ca config. But if I do move out of state and sell a rifle, it would be an easy process to de-californify it.

[makran]

You have some underlying assumptions here that's not true.

1) it's not that hard to make an AR ca-compliant, regardless of which method of compliance. No gunsmithing required.
2) it's just as easy to convert it back to free state configuration. Some conversions take more time than others, but we're talking about a difference of 10-15 minutes for the more involved processes vs a few minutes for the simpler conversions.

I don't know what you mean by "useful in another state". Every one of my rifles is ca-compliant and they are all equally useful here or in a free state. Even if I kept them in ca config. But if I do move out of state and sell a rifle, it would be an easy process to de-californify it.

ok fair, thank you. Again I'm not hiding that I'm new to rifle market and CA laws about rifles, I may have some misunderstanding.
most importantly what I want to know is:
1) is SOLGW M4-89 16" a good value rifle for around ~1500?
2) what would you (or other forum members) purchase instead of this ar15 given that I want an assembled rifle (upper+lower) that is CA compliant and can be shipped to FFL location and it's legal with fix-mag method, not featureless ?