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  • Rambler1
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 5

    Buffer tube only?

    As long as I have my AR with an overall length of 31" and barrel length of 16" do I have to have a butt stock or can I just leave it with a buffer tube only?
  • #2
    ir0nclash86
    Veteran Member
    • May 2010
    • 3599

    Now I could be wrong but I believe overall length is 30" minimum and you can just use the buffer tube if you want for your rifle.
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    • #3
      Rambler1
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 5

      Well, that is what I was thinking but you never know...
      Thanks

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      • #4
        19K
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2013
        • 3616

        Is 1.5inches too long to add a stock?

        With a stock I think it’s 32inches.

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        • #5
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57034

          Originally posted by Rambler1
          As long as I have my AR with an overall length of 31" and barrel length of 16" do I have to have a butt stock or can I just leave it with a buffer tube only?
          Not having a stock changes the firearm from a rifle to an "other" so the laws which apply are different.
          Having a stock makes it a rifle so then the rifle law applies instead of the "other" law.

          As long as you stay within these confines, you should be fine without a stock on your "other" firearm:

          30515.
          (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, ?assault weapon? also means any of the following:

          (9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:

          (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.

          (B) A thumbhole stock.

          (C) A folding or telescoping stock.

          (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.

          (E) A flash suppressor.

          (F) A forward pistol grip.

          (G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.

          (H) A second handgrip.

          (I) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer?s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

          (J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
          So as you can see, it's not possible to have a featureless "other' AR as the magazine well is outside of the pistol grip.
          If you have a fixed magazine, then none of the features matter.
          Last edited by ar15barrels; 08-25-2023, 11:42 AM.
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          • #6
            Rambler1
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 5

            what if I remove the gas tube. plug the port, and make it a single shot

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            • #7
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57034

              Originally posted by Rambler1
              what if I remove the gas tube. plug the port, and make it a single shot
              If it?s not semi-auto, it can?t be an assault weapon.
              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
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              • #8
                ldsnet
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 1405

                Originally posted by Rambler1
                what if I remove the gas tube. plug the port, and make it a single shot
                Instead of modifying the upper, get a Kalikey ... keeps the gas tube in place, but no gas system within the BCG (makes the gun a bolt-action repeater)

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                • #9
                  jimbo74
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 2923

                  Originally posted by ar15barrels
                  If it?s not semi-auto, it can?t be an assault weapon.
                  There are people that say that is a broken assualt weapon... so.... to each their own I guess
                  "It is currently CA legal to modify a double-action revolver into a single-action revolver and modify a single-action revolver into a double-action revolver.

                  CA DOJ BOF stance on modifying handguns only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols.
                  ^It does not apply to revolvers, manually operated repeating pistols, and semi-auto pistols." ~~ Quiet

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                  • #10
                    ar15barrels
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57034

                    Originally posted by jimbo74
                    There are people that say that is a broken assualt weapon... so.... to each their own I guess
                    That mostly depends on if you are also a prohibited person or not.

                    If you are a prohibited person, simply having a firearm of ANY type is problematic and the charges for disassembled assault weapons are add-ons to the simple possession by a prohibited person since just the disassembled receiver is still a firearm even though its not semiautomatic.

                    Randall Rausch

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                    • #11
                      bwiese
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 27621

                      Originally posted by jimbo74
                      There are people that say that is a broken assualt weapon... so.... to each their own I guess
                      You're conflating 'broken' with intentional reconfiguration.

                      The Chaker case (trial court, nonprecedential) in SoCal a coupla decades
                      ago involved a dude with an off-list FAL clone who removed the bolt
                      carrier [approximate events description]. He was still busted for AW
                      possession. It was a bit constructive possessiony but there was no other
                      real outcome for that gun with what he had. There IIRC was also other
                      'color' in the case involving illegal acquisition - might not have been able
                      to testify in his own behalf.

                      The current regulatory code even allows split-apart separated ARs as
                      non-AWs!!! (Don't count on this keeping you from being arrested or
                      applying to different architecture guns).

                      And remember, a gun like a FAL clone has an adjustable gas port. Just
                      closing it to manual cycling doesn't make it a non-AW!!

                      But a gun configured intentionally to NOT be semiauto (gas port blocked
                      with a 1/2" stub + full gas tube removed, maybe gas key removed on
                      carrier, etc.) is readily defendable as a manually cycled rifle.

                      Otherwise every gun could be regarded as illegal - including a single action
                      revolver (all you need is installing a gas port/gas tube and welding a bit of
                      a piston like thingy on the hammmer and it'll cycle thru all rounds FA if
                      you hold the trigger down) - etc etc.

                      Bill Wiese
                      San Jose, CA

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