As long as I have my AR with an overall length of 31" and barrel length of 16" do I have to have a butt stock or can I just leave it with a buffer tube only?
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Now I could be wrong but I believe overall length is 30" minimum and you can just use the buffer tube if you want for your rifle.sigpic
Rock out with your Glock out -
Not having a stock changes the firearm from a rifle to an "other" so the laws which apply are different.
Having a stock makes it a rifle so then the rifle law applies instead of the "other" law.
As long as you stay within these confines, you should be fine without a stock on your "other" firearm:
So as you can see, it's not possible to have a featureless "other' AR as the magazine well is outside of the pistol grip.30515.
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, ?assault weapon? also means any of the following:
(9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(H) A second handgrip.
(I) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer?s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
If you have a fixed magazine, then none of the features matter.Last edited by ar15barrels; 08-25-2023, 11:42 AM.Randall Rausch
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Randall Rausch
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"It is currently CA legal to modify a double-action revolver into a single-action revolver and modify a single-action revolver into a double-action revolver.
CA DOJ BOF stance on modifying handguns only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols.
^It does not apply to revolvers, manually operated repeating pistols, and semi-auto pistols." ~~ QuietComment
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That mostly depends on if you are also a prohibited person or not.
If you are a prohibited person, simply having a firearm of ANY type is problematic and the charges for disassembled assault weapons are add-ons to the simple possession by a prohibited person since just the disassembled receiver is still a firearm even though its not semiautomatic.
Randall Rausch
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Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
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You're conflating 'broken' with intentional reconfiguration.
The Chaker case (trial court, nonprecedential) in SoCal a coupla decades
ago involved a dude with an off-list FAL clone who removed the bolt
carrier [approximate events description]. He was still busted for AW
possession. It was a bit constructive possessiony but there was no other
real outcome for that gun with what he had. There IIRC was also other
'color' in the case involving illegal acquisition - might not have been able
to testify in his own behalf.
The current regulatory code even allows split-apart separated ARs as
non-AWs!!! (Don't count on this keeping you from being arrested or
applying to different architecture guns).
And remember, a gun like a FAL clone has an adjustable gas port. Just
closing it to manual cycling doesn't make it a non-AW!!
But a gun configured intentionally to NOT be semiauto (gas port blocked
with a 1/2" stub + full gas tube removed, maybe gas key removed on
carrier, etc.) is readily defendable as a manually cycled rifle.
Otherwise every gun could be regarded as illegal - including a single action
revolver (all you need is installing a gas port/gas tube and welding a bit of
a piston like thingy on the hammmer and it'll cycle thru all rounds FA if
you hold the trigger down) - etc etc.
Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA
CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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