80 percent ban reversed?

[Darklyte27]

https://www.80percentarms.com/blog/federal-court-temporarily-reverses-atf-ban-for-80-percent-arms/

What does this mean for CA?

[edgerly779]

meaningless for Ca.

[RickD427]

https://www.80percentarms.com/blog/f...-percent-arms/

What does this mean for CA?

Answer - Absolutely Nothing.

The Federal District Court in this case only issued a Preliminary Injunction against the BATF Rule defining 80% Frames and Receivers as firearms.

The Preliminary Injunction does nothing to remove California state statutes governing 80% frames and receivers.

[mr goodguy]

hmmmmm, anyone knows whats the status of 80 percent lower now? is it still legal to buy or sell or keep? just curious whats the real deal now. i thought i heard its no longer legal in cali?

[Angrysnarf]

Nothing

[Quiet]

hmmmmm, anyone knows whats the status of 80 percent lower now? is it still legal to buy or sell or keep? just curious whats the real deal now. i thought i heard its no longer legal in cali?

Current status...

Starting 07-01-2022:
1. It is illegal to advertise for sale or transfer a firearm precursor part (80% receiver) that is not marked by a 07-FFL with their info/serial numbers. [PC 23920(a)]
2. Only firearm precursor parts (80% receiver) that are made/sold by a 07-FFL and is marked with their info/serial number can be legally advertised for sale and transferred in CA. [PC 23920(a)]
3. Transfers must be done through a CA FFL dealer, which requires a CA DROS and 10 day wait. [PC 27545]
4. If you possess an unmarked firearm precursor part (80% receiver), then you have until 12-31-2023 to do one of the following:
A. Submit a USNA to CA DOJ BOF and once you are approved, mark/engrave it with the CA DOJ approved info and make it into a CA legal self-made firearm. [PC 23925(b)(5) and 29180(c)]
B. Surrender it to law enforcement for destruction. [PC 23925(a)(4)]
5. Starting 01-01-2024, it is illegal to possess an unmarked firearm precursor part in CA. [PC 23920(b)]

[mr goodguy]

Wow. Always learning. I Appreciate you quiet thank you sir!

[SharedShots]

An 80% can be configured to function as the receiver for an airsoft, both rifle and pistol.

Does that mean the lower/frame for a rifle or pistol that is an airsoft is also covered by the PC when it comes to firearms?

I think the manufacturers royally screwed the pooch by using marketing and sales language to pigeon-hole their products. The gun control people latched onto that and based on that created the laws and regulations. What happens when one of them markets their products without referring to what the suggested intent happens to be? A spade isn't a spade unless you call it that. When you do then you've opened yourself up to owning it.

A hammer frame (pistol) and typically the 80% for AR platforms but also almost any other can be quite easily configured to launch airsoft projectiles without using a case, primer and powder. If it's about capabilities, an airsoft can be configured (just by looking at it and seeing how they function) to power a firing pin impacted by the airsoft mechanism to ignite a primer so its a two way situation.

So then, who is to say that an unfinished receiver/frame is a firearm when it can be intended to function as an airsoft or even BB or pellet gun from the beginning? Doesn't that mean anyone including manufacturers making airsoft or BB/Pellet/Air arms are making firearm receivers or frames until they are finished and assembled as the air arms?

I know, the airsoft uppers (both rifle and handgun) aren't up to the task of the pressures and strain of using metallic cartridges however, the Colbri and others using primer only aren't even close to the pressures of most metallic cartridges and using a proper barrel (the replaceable component of the arm, it wouldn't be a big deal especially considering the number of 22 rifles and handguns made from Zinc alloys that aren't appreciably made better than high end airsoft.

It's then a huge leap in assumption that any unfinished receiver/frame must be finished as a firearm when the fact is that it can be, from initial intent, to be something else. Until it is finished, no one could prove it was intended to be finished as a firearm.






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[Quiet]

There were certain types of airsoft and blank firing only devices that are banned from importation into the USA, because the BATFE determined they could be readily converted into functional firearms and they also determined certain types of airsoft muzzle devices could be utilized on firearms to suppress the noise of the firearm discharging bullets, so those airsoft muzzle devices were also banned from importation due to being considered illegal Title 2 Silencers.

So, there are certain types of airsoft and blank firing only devices that can be modified to be functional firearms.
^These were identified by the Japanese National Police Agency, due to their experience of having to deal with criminal elements converting them into functional firearms in Japan, and have been banned from importation into the USA by BATFE/US Customs.

[SharedShots]

What happens though when someone tried to make a receiver for an airsoft or any airgun that mimics the appearance of a firearm receiver or one that has the same components but not dimensionally compatible with existing firearms. How could anyone determine what it would be before it's finished?

The Glock and ARs are some examples. The Glocks especially, have frames that accept magazines the same size as the firearm models and the slides are as close to identical as you could get. The only way it could be said to be one or the other would be at final assembly or by somehow attributing intent, applied by someone other than the person making it.

In that light, someone could make a frame just like a Poly80 but in final finishing made to operate the compressed gas contained in the magazine.




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[Quiet]

What happens though when someone tried to make a receiver for an airsoft or any airgun that mimics the appearance of a firearm receiver or one that has the same components but not dimensionally compatible with existing firearms. How could anyone determine what it would be before it's finished?

In that light, someone could make a frame just like a Poly80 but in final finishing made to operate the compressed gas contained in the magazine.

AFAIK...
If made in CA, it must be made in compliance with CA imitation firearm laws, which mandates specific coloration and markings. [PC 20150, 20155, 20160, and 20165]