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  • #16
    aplinker
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2007
    • 16762

    Originally posted by locosway
    Does the military not train the chicken wing anymore?
    Chicken wing is good for competition stability, it's horrible for tactical situations. Moving through obstacles, doorways, easier to get hit...

    Their reload technique is well thought out. You check the bolt, to be sure it's empty and not a feeding issue, then turn so you can watch the insertion. You keep everything high so you can watch the threat downrange during the motion.

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    • #17
      locosway
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      • Jun 2009
      • 11346

      I get the reload, and it makes a lot of sense. I was just wondering why he looks so funny when he's holding the rifle..
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      • #18
        Army GI
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 4284

        I think it depends on what rifle you're shooting. If you're shooting off-hand and your rifle has a straight stock, you really have no choice but to use chicken wing unless you're really flexible.

        Thankfully with appearance C-stocks and the magnificent AR-style pistol grip, you can have your elbow down in the off hand position without straining your wrists.
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        • #19
          Flying Bones
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          • Dec 2008
          • 1419

          ALSO...
          Are these guys all using single stage triggers? They fire rounds out of a Semi Auto very fast. I want that trigger...I know, I know, it's a skill built around the trigger...but what's the trigger?
          Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
          What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
          Originally posted by huck
          You still can't wear it in the parade.


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          • #20
            aplinker
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2007
            • 16762

            Originally posted by Flying Bones
            ALSO...
            Are these guys all using single stage triggers? They fire rounds out of a Semi Auto very fast. I want that trigger...I know, I know, it's a skill built around the trigger...but what's the trigger?
            They use stock triggers. They're all training.

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            • #21
              Flying Bones
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              • Dec 2008
              • 1419

              Originally posted by uclaplinker
              They use stock triggers. They're all training.
              Ok...well if one was to use a better trigger what would one use? Honestly I have a RRA 2 stage that's great, but my stock trigger on the other ebr is about 10lb's of pull. It's junk, I need to replace it, so i'd like to upgrade.
              Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
              What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
              Originally posted by huck
              You still can't wear it in the parade.


              Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.

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              • #22
                aplinker
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2007
                • 16762

                Originally posted by Flying Bones
                Ok...well if one was to use a better trigger what would one use? Honestly I have a RRA 2 stage that's great, but my stock trigger on the other ebr is about 10lb's of pull. It's junk, I need to replace it, so i'd like to upgrade.


                JP single, Geissele SSA 2-stage.

                Those would be my choices.

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                • #23
                  dskell
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 825

                  Travis Haley speaks in a segment regarding equipment about how he uses a standard mil-spec trigger.

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                  • #24
                    Grayblue
                    Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 314

                    Originally posted by Flying Bones
                    ...

                    2. Who decided it was a good idea to turn a rilfle 90 degrees when doing a speed reload? I was taught, keep the rifle in shooting position at all times. We have flexible hands and fingers that can manipulate a magazine quite easily into a rifle/handgun. EVERY TIME these guys did a speed reload, be it handgun or rifle, they flipped the weapon 90 degrees,...
                    There's something that looks fast and efficient and there is something that is fast and efficient. The two are not always the same. I've seen, heard, and read about so many "tactical" guys preaching techniques determined to be good because of superficial, not actual, qualities based on their prejudice and rhetoric.

                    Keeping the rifle in shooting position may reduce time to get the rifle on target after the completion of mag change. But, if that makes mag change itself longer, then it has a down side. What is important is overall efficiency. If you look at videos of shooting champions, they don't do magazine changes while holding the pistol with arm fully extended in shooting position. Same applies to rifle and magazine well position.

                    If I bring the pistol closer to my body, I can change magazines faster then if I held the pistol at full extended arms length. Also, it is more secure if I have to move, roll, etc. Same can be said about rifle. To squeeze in a fully loaded magazine, it takes some force, and it is harder to exert force on object that is more far from your body with arms more extended. Less leverage.

                    But, hey if you can do it just as quick and securely, or even faster, with the gun kept on shooting posture, then by all means.

                    Also, if the magazine is not fully seated before you can do a final squeeze and tug or give the final "tap" on the bottom of the magazine, 90 degree tilted gun helps to prevent the magazine from free falling.
                    Last edited by Grayblue; 07-20-2009, 7:37 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Flying Bones
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 1419

                      Originally posted by dskell
                      Travis Haley speaks in a segment regarding equipment about how he uses a standard mil-spec trigger.
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MspNZJZb31g
                      Ok...this is all fine and dandy. Who makes a mil spec trigger that IS milspec, meaning functions well? I dont recall seeing any for sale.

                      I appreciate that they are explaining things...thanks for the link. I'm getting to where I want to know WHY I am doing/building/buying the parts I am, and WHY I am training a certain way, not "because he said so."
                      Last edited by Flying Bones; 07-20-2009, 9:07 AM.
                      Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
                      What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
                      Originally posted by huck
                      You still can't wear it in the parade.


                      Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.

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                      • #26
                        aplinker
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 16762

                        Originally posted by Flying Bones
                        Ok...this is all fine and dandy. Who makes a mil spec trigger that IS milspec, meaning functions well? I dont recall seeing any for sale.

                        I appreciate that they are explaining things...thanks for the link. I'm getting to where I want to know WHY I am doing/building/buying the parts I am, and WHY I am training a certain way, not "because he said so."
                        mil-spec triggers don't break or loosen like NM or similar triggers.

                        mil-spec triggers don't have light primer strike issues like match triggers can.

                        Those are the whys.

                        Any of the good kits will have a decent USGI trigger. It's training, not the trigger, that makes them good with them.

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                        • #27
                          Flying Bones
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 1419

                          Too bad I didn't buy a good kit. Now I'm thinking of going with the JP, not the drop in though. Any advice on thosse?
                          Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
                          What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
                          Originally posted by huck
                          You still can't wear it in the parade.


                          Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.

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                          • #28
                            phamkl
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 551

                            Does anyone know specifically what these guys' backgrounds are?

                            I know Haley was in the Marine's Force Recon and some private sector stuff and that Costa was doing contract stuff with HLS and then something with the Coast Guard but not much else seems to be out there.

                            Not doubting their experience since they're obviously great teachers; I'm just curious.

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                            • #29
                              Flying Bones
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 1419

                              Originally posted by phamkl
                              Does anyone know specifically what these guys' backgrounds are?

                              I know Haley was in the Marine's Force Recon and some private sector stuff and that Costa was doing contract stuff with HLS and then something with the Coast Guard but not much else seems to be out there.

                              Not doubting their experience since they're obviously great teachers; I'm just curious.
                              I think they are the undisputed champions of the world.
                              I have a funny thing with Magpul. In all my noobness I thought I was going to avoid Magpul because they were the "Nike" of AR's, meaning, the it thing to have. So I spent lots of money avoiding them with things that didn't work, then one day I bought a CTR, followed soon by a MIAD, and so on. In general, they've got some great work going into their products. Are we to assume that Haley and Costa are the brains? If so, I give them major props...now go ahead and hate.
                              Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
                              What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
                              Originally posted by huck
                              You still can't wear it in the parade.


                              Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.

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