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  • imarangemaster
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 3198

    Ode to my 300 BLK rifles...

    An M1 Carbine will push a 110 grain JSP bullet at about 1950 fps, giving about 950 ft lbs at the muzzle. The 300 BLK is an M1 Carbine with a hard on. A 125 grain JSP at 2200 fps (or more from an 18" barrel), giving 1410 ft lbs, or 55% more than an M1 Carbine, and even 200 ft lbs (about 18%) more than a 5.56 at the muzzle. Used as a home defense carbine, the 125 grain SST delivers all its energy to a live target in 13-15". No over penetration.

    I first got a 300 Blackout AR15 in about 2013, a nice CMMG. I used it as my patrol carbine on a Homeland Security "Critical Infrastructure Protection" contract patrolling Dams and powerhouse in the high Sierra in Central California. I liked it a lot, but ammo was still hard to obtain, and even reloading, it cost more per round (at that time) than the factory Black Hills MK262 MOD1 77 grain factory ammo I had used in my 5.56 AR15. At the end of the two year contract, I sold it and went back to the cheaper to shoot .5.56 (mostly in my Mini-14)

    Fast forward to earlier this year, the 300BLK bug bit me BAD! I stockpiled ammo (400 rounds of 125 grain WW OT, and 300 rounds of 125 SST Fiocchi. I still had dies and about 400 rounds of 300BLK brass.

    Then I built an M4gery 300BLK AR15, and finally two months ago found the my Holy Grail of 300BLKs, a blued steel Ruger Mini-14 in 300BLK on Gunbroker. What made it special was that it was blued steel, and it was NOT a tactical model Mini. Believe it or not, I didn't want a tactical with a 16" barrel, but rather a standard with an 18" barrel. It is not a Ruger catalogue item, but was rather a special run for Davidson's a few years back. They are impossible to find now.

    It came in a Hogue stock, but I put it in an early 181 Series wood carbine stock with a wood hand guard, for a blued steel and wood look. It won't frighten the "Snowflakes" as much as an AR15.

    The Mini 300 BLK weighs a full half pound less, at just over 6 pounds (6.2), and the M4gery is closer to 7 pounds (6.75).



    A magazine loaded with 20 of these 125 Grain Hornady SSTs is some serious whoop *****, and gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

    Last edited by imarangemaster; 08-11-2022, 6:29 PM.
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    imarangemaster
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 3198

    I also have a stainless 584 Series Mini-30, that would do about the same as the 300BLK, but I have it scoped for up to 300 yards. Also, my 7.62x39 handloads are pretty hot (125 grain at 2550 fps from a Radar chrony). Thats considerably more energy and possible over-penetration compared to the 300 BLK. Since I can have booth, I leave the Mini-30 scoped.

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    • #3
      sigstroker
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2009
      • 19118

      The brass is easy to make from .223 brass.

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        imarangemaster
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 3198

        Originally posted by sigstroker
        The brass is easy to make from .223 brass.
        When I had my first 300 BLK 10 years ago, it was still a relatively new cartridge, just like 300 HAM'R is now. Brass was stupid expensive, and suitable, long nose 125s were hard to get. It was very frustrating to try to feed it (and expensive). Now I have been getting the 125 SSTs for a bit over a buck a round, cheaper than 5.56 77 grain MK262 MOD1 (my second favorite AR load). WW296 (the same powder used in factory 30 Carbine) is one of the best powders to load 300 BLK with, and it meters well. I also think it is much easier to load than 5.56.
        Last edited by imarangemaster; 08-11-2022, 7:21 PM.

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        • #5
          sbo80
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 2263

          I never knew they built one of those in .300. I've never been a fan of the mini-14 in general, certainly not over a standard AR. But getting one in .300BLK just might change my mind. I quite enjoy my M1 Carbine, and my .300BLK AR pistol. Combined together, sounds like a good time.

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          • #6
            imarangemaster
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 3198

            The Mini-14 in 300 really is an M1 Carbine with a hard on, or maybe even viagra. My USGI WW2 Inland is about 5.75 pounds., My 300BLK Mini is 6.2 pounds in the 181 Series carbine stock, or the poly factory stock (though with the current factory 580 series wood stock is 6.7 pounds).

            The 300 BLK Mini is as light and handy as the M1 Carbine but has 55% more muzzle energy than the carbine. In my mind, it is a perfect Home Defense carbine!

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            • #7
              deadcoyote
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 4002

              They made a mini 6.8 for a short run too. They had a used one in a local gun shop but it was severely rusted and the guy still wanted a ton of money for it due to its rarity.
              Buying a safe and sane firework is like paying a hooker for a hug. I do not see the appeal in it.

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                imarangemaster
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 3198

                Originally posted by deadcoyote
                They made a mini 6.8 for a short run too. They had a used one in a local gun shop but it was severely rusted and the guy still wanted a ton of money for it due to its rarity.
                Yep, its a shame they discontinued the 6.8. The still make a lot of 300 BLK Minis, but only in Tactical models.

                When I start reloading the 300 again, I'll use Lil Gun powder. 2400 fps, under max pressure, instead of the 200 by CFE BLK and WW296. That load truly duplicates the 7.62x39, instead of "just coming close." With that said, 2200 fps and 1450 ft lbs ME is good enough for a HD carbine.

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                  deadcoyote
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 4002

                  Just curious, does your mini run subsonic ammo? I’ve got a BCM 16” AR and it’ll run both, I’m not opposed to grabbing up a mini at some point though and would like to know.
                  Buying a safe and sane firework is like paying a hooker for a hug. I do not see the appeal in it.

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                  • #10
                    NapalmCheese
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 5939

                    Originally posted by imarangemaster
                    the 300 BLK is an M1 Carbine with a hard on.
                    Sure.

                    Or you can see it as a limp dick .30-30.
                    Calguns.net, where everyone responding to your post is a Navy Force Delta Recon 6 Sniperator.

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                    • #11
                      imarangemaster
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 3198

                      Originally posted by NapalmCheese
                      Sure.

                      Or you can see it as a limp dick .30-30.
                      How true! My Marlin 336 in 30-30 with my handloads is pretty stout. Despite the fact that I can lever it pretty fast, it still won't hold 30 rounds like the 300!

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                      • #12
                        imarangemaster
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 3198


                        Never tried subs in it. My first 300 had a carbine length gas system and cycled both super and sub sonics. Minis tend to be over gassed like an AK, and they usually cycle anything.

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                        • #13
                          SharedShots
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2021
                          • 2277

                          The Ruger in 300 BO shoots both super and subs just fine. If you reload for it, try the 110 grain Sierra JHPs. They feed and cycle perfectly. For a good SD round load up some Lehighs.

                          The Ruger in 300 BO is stone reliable no matter what ammo you use.

                          I'm getting ready to load up some sabots using 50-60 grain gain projectiles. That will provide a round table of loads covering everything. The question might be why? Why load up sabots when Ruger makes the same rifle in 223/5.56? The better question is why not? Then you can shoot anything from 50 to 220 grainers all out of the same rifle.

                          When I get them loaded up and tested out I'll report back how it went. I'm not looking for some sell everything else accuracy, just something to try out. If it works, great. If it doesn't, so what?



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                            imarangemaster
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 3198

                            Some folks use small gas bushings to tame the ejection on Mins. I, on the other hand, run factory gas bushings. Minis are designed to be over-gassed like AKs, that aids reliability. My 5.56 Mini will cycle anything, including some IMR4198 bolt gun .223 loads that would not cycle an AR15. Using factory magazines, I have never had a failure to feed from a Mini-14 or Mini-30!

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                              imarangemaster
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 3198

                              I think the sabot rounds are a great idea! I really need to pick up some Lil'Gun powder. I can duplicate 7.62x39 ballistics with 2400 fps 125 grain loads, and stay under max pressure. I still don't think I will get rid of the Mini-30, though, if I do that. I have it scoped, and get 2550 fps out of those handloads.

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