Does a “Fin” make an AR Featureless?

[Mojamz]

If I install a pistol grip fin on an AR does this make it a featureless rifle? If so, does this mean I can keep the standard mag release, collapsible stock and flash hider?

[RickD427]

If I install a pistol grip fin on an AR does this make it a featureless rifle?

It only "helps" to make your rifle featureless.

If so, does this mean I can keep the standard mag release, collapsible stock and flash hider?

Yes, No, No

[theLBC]

no, those are the other things you have to fix.

[Librarian]

Not an FFL question, moved.

[Angrysnarf]

One part

[ronlglock]

Someone should make a flowchart which shows what you can and cannot have. Oh, wait! Someone did!!!

https://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

[ar15barrels]

If I install a pistol grip fin on an AR does this make it a featureless rifle?
If so, does this mean I can keep the standard mag release, collapsible stock and flash hider?

No.

A fin only eliminates a pistol grip.
You have to get rid of ALL the "features" before it's featureless.
See how easy that is?
It's right there in the name.
Featureless can not have any features.

No flash suppressor.
No collapsible stock.

Here is the exact ford of the law listing the features:

30515.
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.

(B) A thumbhole stock.

(C) A folding or telescoping stock.

(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.

(E) A flash suppressor.

(F) A forward pistol grip.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

[Sailormilan2]

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I00A3AC3242EF4DA59B868E70908F9614?transitionType=Default&contextData=%28sc.Default%29

[67Cuda]

Here is the exact ford of the law listing the features:

(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.

So if an AK has a grenade launcher, it can never be featureless with just a fin grip?

[SkyHawk]

So if an AK has a grenade launcher, it can never be featureless with just a fin grip?

It can (almost) never be legal in any configuration in CA, because a grenade launcher is also a prohibited destructive device. Unless you had the proper (effectively unobtanium for most) permits, it is a no-go.

However, a flare launcher is not a grenade launcher - if you are asking about a faux M203 or something. A fixed mag AK could have a flare launcher, but otherwise no it could not be featureless.

[ar15barrels]

So if an AK has a grenade launcher, it can never be featureless with just a fin grip?

Correct.
Grenade launcher is a feature.

[ysr_racer]

[G-forceJunkie]

Yup, clearly can't put any of the web of your hand below the top of the trigger...

[ar15barrels]

Yup, clearly can't put any of the web of your hand below the top of the trigger...

The web is the part between the thumb and pointer finger.
People seem to think it's only the very top 1/8" of that skin and seem to ignore the 2" or so of web below the top:

[Jimi Jah]

No. A fin makes it an oar for your next boating accident.