Registered AW Question

[Einloch]

Simply put, my friends father registered his AK style rifle back in 1989 during the Roberti-Roos ban and he doesn't remember receiving any paperwork after registration. He's trying to figure out if there was any paperwork, and/or if there's any way to provide documentation that it is a registered AW. Sorry if off topic.

[Oceanbob]

[ar15barrels]

Simply put, my friends father registered his AK style rifle back in 1989 during the Roberti-Roos ban and he doesn't remember receiving any paperwork after registration.
He's trying to figure out if there was any paperwork, and/or if there's any way to provide documentation that it is a registered AW.

Use this form to request a list of firearms registered to you.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/AFSPrivateCitizen.pdf

The assault weapons should be included there along with the non-assault weapons.

[Dan_Eastvale]

It was $10 to register all mine from the 80s.
I received a single acknowledgment letter back from them.
Kept in wallet because I still shot them after Roberti Roos
Threw it away when we left CA

[Ki6vsm]

When I registered my BBAWs a few years back and received the "paperwork" (just a single sheet of paper) for it later in the mail, the reg info also listed my RRoos registered items. So the state DOJ had no problem keeping track of my RR items these days. Info wasn't "lost" on their end.

[smoothy8500]

Use this form to request a list of firearms registered to you.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/AFSPrivateCitizen.pdf

The assault weapons should be included there along with the non-assault weapons.

I guess either would work, if he knows for sure its registered BOF 1033 Copy request for confirmation letter.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof-1033.pdf?

[ar15barrels]

I guess either would work, if he knows for sure its registered BOF 1033 Copy request for confirmation letter.
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a.../bof-1033.pdf?

I think it's better to get the whole AFS report as that will include AW's and non-AW's than just the AW letter which only includes the AW's.

I have a collection of AW letters from all the different registration periods that I have participated.
I just got my "other" letter about 10 days ago.
The later produced letters do not include my previous AW registrations.

I suppose that if I were to request a new AW letter that they would consolidate them all into a single letter.
Mine would be at least 2 pages.

I am sending off for an AFS report today just to see how many pages it ends up being and if there are any unexpected entries.

[bwiese]

Einloch,

Your friend should resolve this ASAP. Some people also think they reg'd when they didn't (below).

He should not take the rifle outside his home until sure (risk of add'l AW transport charge). It may
even be a risk reducer to disassemble it til sure.


1. He can get a list of guns (incl RAWs) via notarized request + copy of photoID to CA DOJ (see their Firearms website).
If he sees his gun on it (w serial#) he's OK. Sometimes make/model can get screwed up due to use of standardized
NCIC gun identification or DOJ data entry quality(!).

2. Memory can fail and/or there could be some reason the AW reg was incomplete or not fully filed. In that case said
(R)AW may well be illegally possessed and there is no 'fixup' esp 30+ yrs later.

3. If certified mailing receipts & orig copy of proper AW reg were retained & it was somehow a DOJ screwup in not completing
registration- that could help mitigate prospective charges (though gun would be lost and it might require some lawyer $). If
the reg filing were improper and it was returned for 'more info' etc. and that was not acted upon, it is NOT registered as a RAW.

4. 1989-1990 Roberti-Roos AW registrations were for (approx.) 56 guns 'banned by name'. [The only gun that was really
'banned by feature' in Roberti-Roos was "SKS with detachable magazine".]

Because of confusion then (resolved by June 2001 Harrott decision) about listing specificity on AR & AK 'series' guns vs DOJ
behavior, there is a chance that your gun may nevertheless be NOT a 'banned by name' (i.e, Kasler listed) AR/AK gun and
would only be banned by configured features suite. Really only applicable if AW registration had failed in 89/90.


If it turns out the gun sadly cannot be legally possessed in CA because reg invalid and cannot be converted to featureless
etc.:

- do not try to drive it outtta CA! Transport is an additional non-wobbler felony to illegal possession charge.

- contact a criminal attorney to prearrange a surrender with the police dept. There is a specific clause in law
that allows this, but you do not wanna get popped on way to delivery. Have your lawyer get it in writing;
also, this should transactionally clear you from illegal AW charges if other evidence and a prosecutor
went wild.



Do note/reminders/comments:

• 'Roberti-Roos' list is listed in PC 30501 & echoed in regulation 11 CCR 5495;
• .
• the "Kasler list" of formally-identified AR/AK 'series' guns is in regulatory
  code at 11 CCR 5499;
• .
• in 90/91, DOJ Firearms Div may well have registered a gun as a RAW regardless of name or even if it really was an AW.
• .
• banned-by-name AWs can't have features changed to not be an AW!
• .
• guns not on Kasler / Roberti-Roos lists are NOT banned-by-name AWs, and can be possessed 'featureless' or w/a true
  fixed 10rd magazine (providing no other issues like SBR/DD etc.) [Exception: SKS w DM and Cowboy SKS from 1997 fixup
  law etc.]
• .
• changing gun to a non-AW does not erase any prior crime of illegal AW possession. However, it does make burden of
  prosecution much higher or allow an AB2728 resolution (nuisance fine & surrender)
• .
• diassembling gun into parts esp kept separate or at other locations from receiver may possibly help, even if a 'named'
  gun: named AWs are 'semiauto' and wording of legislative commentary in 2006' AB2728 discusess non-semauto, non-rifleness
  of bare receivers.

[G-forceJunkie]

My last AW letter included all the previous one as well "shrug"

[ar15barrels]

My last AW letter included all the previous one as well "shrug"

One of my earlier ones did, but not the most recent one.

[smoothy8500]

I think it's better to get the whole AFS report as that will include AW's and non-AW's than just the AW letter which only includes the AW's.

I didn't realize the AFS included AW registrations. Makes sense though.

[ar15barrels]

I didn't realize the AFS included AW registrations.

At the very top of the form itself is this statement:

Please be advised the Department of Justice began retaining information regarding sales of rifles and shotguns effective January 1, 2014.
As a result, records of rifles and shotguns prior to January 1, 2014 are limited to Assault Weapon registrations and voluntary reports of ownership.

I read that to mean that the only pre-2014 long guns that will get reported are the voluntary registered ones and the Assault Weapons.
To me, that means that the Assault Weapons will be part of the AFS results returned when you make the request.
Obviously they report the handguns as well.

[Einloch]

Woah guys! Thanks for all the responses, I'll be sure to get this to him. Have a nice day y'all.

[xrMike]

I didn’t realize it until 10 years ago and actually called the assault weapon division at CDOJ and a nice girl named Sandy updated my address for my 13 RAWs.

Bob

WTF, nobody needs that many RAWs!!!!

[ar15barrels]

WTF, nobody needs that many RAWs!!!!

13 is too many?