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  • Angrysnarf
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2015
    • 2860

    Cheapest piston upper

    Is the wolf t91 piston upper the cheapest option for piston uppers?
  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30241

    Originally posted by Angrysnarf
    Is the wolf t91 piston upper the cheapest option for piston uppers?
    IMO...

    It's the least expensive most reliable option.

    There are other piston uppers that can be found that are less reliable than the standard direct impingement gas system and less durable than the Taiwanese made T91.

    Gas-piston AR15 variants = you get a proprietary system that performs at the level of what you paid for it.
    ^Go cheap and you end up with a platform to practice stoppage drills and gunsmithing to keep it running.
    Last edited by Quiet; 03-26-2022, 6:54 AM.
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      Angrysnarf
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      • Oct 2015
      • 2860

      Cheapest piston upper

      Originally posted by Quiet
      IMO...

      It's the least expensive most reliable option.

      There are other piston uppers that can be found that are less reliable than the standard direct impingement gas system and less durable than the Taiwanese made T91.

      Gas-piston AR15 variants = you get a proprietary system that performs at the level of what you paid for it.
      ^Go cheap and you end up with a platform to practice stoppage drills and gunsmithing to keep it running.
      Last edited by Angrysnarf; 03-26-2022, 10:56 AM.

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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30241

        Originally posted by Angrysnarf
        I was afraid of this being the cheapest. But I’ll bite the bullet. Any idea where to find a nickel boron bcg for it?
        The Wolf T91 has good reviews.
        ^It's considered by some reviewers to be the best low budget piston upper that works with the AR15 system.

        It's basically a civilian variant of the ROC 205th Arsenal T91 rifle, which is essential the love child of an Armalite AR18 (upper) that's been mated to an Colt M16A1 (lower).
        The T91 series became the standard issue rifle for the Taiwanese Military in 2003.

        All the T91 upper parts are proprietary.
        ^Currently, there is no US aftermarket support for it.
        Last edited by Quiet; 03-26-2022, 11:28 AM.
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        • #5
          kcheung2
          Veteran Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 4387

          Originally posted by Angrysnarf
          I was afraid of this being the cheapest.
          Have no fear, I'll sell you mine for 3x what I paid for it. Then you'll know for sure that you're not getting the cheapest.
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          • #6
            stormvet
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Mar 2010
            • 12681

            I haven’t looked into a piston upper in a decade or more. I bought two in 2010, a Adams Arms 16” and a PWA Addax 14.5 side charger.

            No complaints with either one, both have been very reliable and have proven to be long lasting. Two very different designs, the Addax has the AK like piston system. Works really well, but does add weight.

            I think if I was looking for a piston upper today, id most likely fork over the money for the ones that Brownells are selling.

            Im a warmonger baby, I got blood in my eyes and I'm looking at you.

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            • #7
              Angrysnarf
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2015
              • 2860

              Originally posted by kcheung2
              Have no fear, I'll sell you mine for 3x what I paid for it. Then you'll know for sure that you're not getting the cheapest.

              A non issue given they are in ample stock

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              • #8
                Angrysnarf
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                • Oct 2015
                • 2860


                I completely forgot about those.

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                  bugsy714
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                  • Mar 2011
                  • 2418

                  dictated but not read

                  Voice typing will butcher whatever I was trying to say

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                    jsanch03
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2018
                    • 845

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                    • #11
                      SunkenShadow
                      Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 267

                      Ive been running Adams for awhile but havent needed to buy another. It looks like there hasnt been that much movement in the piston market in the last 5 years.
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                      • #12
                        ar15barrels
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 57111

                        There are almost no aftermarket parts for most piston uppers because they are non-standard.
                        Very few companies are going to make parts to fit just one upper unless there is a lot of profit to be made.
                        Making expensive parts for a cheap upper is not going to be profitable because buyers of cheap uppers are the people who are least likely to want to buy expensive parts.
                        Randall Rausch

                        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                        Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                        Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                        • #13
                          ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57111

                          Originally posted by SunkenShadow
                          It looks like there hasnt been that much movement in the piston market in the last 5 years.
                          Because it was a fad that's now about over.
                          As more and more of the companies stop selling replacement parts, there will be more and more orphaned uppers out there that will become "collectible" by people looking for spare parts.
                          Randall Rausch

                          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                          Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                          Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                          • #14
                            Angrysnarf
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 2860

                            Originally posted by ar15barrels
                            There are almost no aftermarket parts for most piston uppers because they are non-standard.
                            Very few companies are going to make parts to fit just one upper unless there is a lot of profit to be made.
                            Making expensive parts for a cheap upper is not going to be profitable because buyers of cheap uppers are the people who are least likely to want to buy expensive parts.

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                            • #15
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57111

                              What was this about:

                              Originally posted by Angrysnarf
                              Any idea where to find a nickel boron bcg for it?
                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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