Featureless question…

[Lonestargrizzly]

So if a brace isnt considered a stock, could one have an adjustable brace on a featureless rifle???

[bwiese]

Lonestargrizzly...

1. A brace isn't (for now!) a stock under FEDERAL law - but that could be changing.

2. A 'brace' on a pistol in CA is to me very risk. The ATF memos exempting
them in (1) above for Fed law have no applicability to CA gun laws - and CA
has its own separate broad definition of CA SBR.

Remember that a 'brace' nor stock is defined in regulatory code or statute.

So if some that 'looks, feels, and shoulders' like a stock but is called a brace
and has a hole in it - well, a DA, a crime lab 'expert' and a metro area judge
can easily find the brace to be a stock. (And a stock on a pistol is a no-no
in CA regardless of any Fed exemptions.)

3. You could certainly have a fixed (nonfolding, nontelescoping etc) brace on
a 'featureless' rifle. It would essentially be serving as a stock anyway.

The most important thing would be to ensure the gun has a 30" min overall
length (in combination w/16+" barrel).

[Quiet]

Featureless question…

So if a brace isnt considered a stock, could one have an adjustable brace on a featureless rifle???

In regards to CA assault weapons laws...

A semi-auto centerfire firearm with 16" or greater rifled barrel length and a shoulder stock = must comply with CA assault weapons laws for rifles. [PC 30515(a)(1),(2),(3)]

A semi-auto centerfire firearm with a 16" or greater rifled barrel length and no shoulder stock = must comply with CA assault weapons laws for semi-auto other firearms. [PC 30515(a)(9),(10),(11)]

A semi-auto firearm with a less than 16" rifled barrel length and no shoulder stock = must comply with CA assault weapons laws for pistols. [PC 30515(a)(4),(5)]

Therefore...

If the semi-auto centerfire "rifle" does not have a shoulder stock, then it meet's the requirements of a semi-auto centerfire "other" firearm and it can not legally have any of the following:
01. A pistol grip. [PC 30515(a)(9)(A)]
02. A grenade/flare launcher. [PC 30515(a)(9)(D)]
03. A flash suppressor. [PC 30515(a)(9)(E)]
04. A forward pistol grip. [PC 30515(a)(9)(F)]
05. A threaded barrel. [PC 30515(a)(9)(G)]
06. A second handgrip. [PC 30515(a)(9)(H)]
07. A shroud. [PC 30515(a)(9)(I)]
08. The capacity to accept magazines outside of it's grip. [PC 30515(a)(9)(J)]
09. A fixed magazine with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds. [PC 30515(a)(10)]
10. An overall length of less than 30". [PC 30515(a)(11)]

Overall length is measured with the firearm in the shortest possible fireable configuration (brace folded/collapsed and non-permanently attached muzzle device removed). [11 CCR 5471(x)]



Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(H) A second handgrip.
(I) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(10) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(11) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.