Kel-tec Su16ca Pros & Cons

[ibbryn]

Someone who has a Kel-tec please give us an estimate of how many rounds you have fired through it.

I occassionally take Fighting Rifle/Tactial type courses. Over two days we shoot about 1500 rounds. The guys running the courses have these courses frequently and see a lot of rifles in use.

They say the Kel-tecs consistently fail sometime during the weekend.

750 rounds a day, many in rapid succession, might be more than you plan on shooting. But if this your primary weapon you should get something that is 100% reliable under whatever circumstances. If you want a plinker, go for it. If you want something light that you can fold up and put in your backpack or under the seat of your truck, do you want to trade conveinence for life-saving reliability?

Your OLL will do the job. The Mini14, if you have reliable mags, will also function well.

[shonc99]

Another thing; buy a metal AR magazine. The stock ones mine came with were terrible. They would always BARF all the rounds out the top when not physically in the gun.

Such a funny visual, yet so true........

[shark92651]

Someone who has a Kel-tec please give us an estimate of how many rounds you have fired through it.

I occassionally take Fighting Rifle/Tactial type courses. Over two days we shoot about 1500 rounds. The guys running the courses have these courses frequently and see a lot of rifles in use.

They say the Kel-tecs consistently fail sometime during the weekend.

750 rounds a day, many in rapid succession, might be more than you plan on shooting. But if this your primary weapon you should get something that is 100% reliable under whatever circumstances. If you want a plinker, go for it. If you want something light that you can fold up and put in your backpack or under the seat of your truck, do you want to trade conveinence for life-saving reliability?

Your OLL will do the job. The Mini14, if you have reliable mags, will also function well.

I assume you mean a gripless build, right? I mean who wants to take a tactical course with a rifle they have to crack open every 10 rounds either

[JHC]

Ouch! I have never seen the olive color, must of been an early model? I certainly hope whatever that failure is has been corrected in later models. How many rounds have you put through it?

Thousands.

[ketec_owner]

about 2,000 rounds of XM193.

[TheClap1]

I have a SU-16CA and it hasn't given me any problems. I have shot 500 rounds through it. Accuracy is good out the box.

[iridesportbikes]

i've shot well over 1000 rounds(various ammo brands) thru my SU16CA and not a major malfunction, even without the upgrades. Great rifle!

[rayra]

SU-16 has no place now that the OLL's are available. If you are willing to unfold an SU-16CA and mess with the annoying hinge pin ONCE, you might as well just separate your AR upper and lower OVER and OVER to get the same effect.

The AR is more accurate, more durable, has more options, and is more evil.

The SU-16 is lighter, and cheaper.

Touched that up a bit for you.

Totally ignoring the speed and ease of use of reloading the weapon with multiple 10rd mags, vs cracking open an OLL and handloading or hoping your stripper clip setup works...
That's a major issue, and you sailed right past it like it wasn't even there.

[rayra]

I like my SU-16CA for the reasons mentioned above... ...I added a yankee-hill brake and the compact forearm for maximum evilness.
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Eggselent

[Stevil]

I've had 2, the Alpha I ran about 9,000+ rounds through it without a problem, and a CA that after the initial extractor problems were resolved by using a AR one has worked perfectly through 1,000+ rounds.

[Ryan HBC]

Touched that up a bit for you.

Totally ignoring the speed and ease of use of reloading the weapon with multiple 10rd mags, vs cracking open an OLL and handloading or hoping your stripper clip setup works...
That's a major issue, and you sailed right past it like it wasn't even there.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Cali AR's can be reloaded with multiple mags as well.

I was talking about breaking it open for storage, you only have to do it once. Not over and over again. Breaking my SU-16a in half is equally as difficult, I HAVE to have that little tool to pop the pin out. My AR hinge pins remove much easier without a tool, and those pins don't get misplaced by accident.

Striper clip set up? Come on, who here actually uses that anyways? If you don't like fixed mags, go gripless. You'll thank yourself later when you get better accuracy and durability.

Think about the average number of OLL's owned here. Now think about the average number of SU-16's. There are good reasons for that. Don't get all mad at me.

[vega]

Breaking my SU-16a in half is equally as difficult, I HAVE to have that little tool to pop the pin out. My AR hinge pins remove much easier without a tool, and those pins don't get misplaced by accident.

You can always replace the pin with Cotterless Ring hitch, the ones from Home Depot are a lot better looking than that.

[ketec_owner]

Ditto that. The hitch pin was my first mod.

But really - IMHO the point is conceded on the AR being a better platform. But it's like comparing a Jeep to a Land Rover. Either one will work. You just don't mind getting the Jeep a little dirty - the Land Rover - well.