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  • MarikinaMan
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 4864

    Foregrip legal with Maglock?

    Is a foregrip legal on a magazine locked rifle?

  • #2
    unclerandy
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 1092

    yes

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    • #3
      ohsmily
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2005
      • 8934

      Originally posted by MarikinaMan
      Is a foregrip legal on a magazine locked rifle?

      PC 30515. Read it. Learn it (until they change it again)
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      • #4
        MarikinaMan
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 4864

        Cool. Missed that.

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        • #5
          Gundiver
          Banned
          • Sep 2016
          • 1030

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          • #6
            SanDiego619
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2013
            • 10757

            Not allowed if it's a BB AW
            Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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            • #7
              Tere_Hanges
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2013
              • 6266

              Originally posted by SanDiego619
              Not allowed if it's a BB AW
              Sure it is.
              CRPA and NRA member.

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              • #8
                ohsmily
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2005
                • 8934

                Originally posted by SanDiego619
                Not allowed if it's a BB AW
                False.
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                • #9
                  BucDan
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 4060

                  Originally posted by SanDiego619
                  Not allowed if it's a BB AW
                  That's incorrect. If a forward grip was ok on the old BB rifle, then why wouldn't it be ok on the BBRAW?

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                  • #10
                    MarikinaMan
                    Veteran Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 4864

                    Originally posted by BucDan
                    That's incorrect. If a forward grip was ok on the old BB rifle, then why wouldn't it be ok on the BBRAW?
                    The old BB rifle wasnt allowed a forward grip under the old CA rules.

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                    • #11
                      ohsmily
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 8934

                      Originally posted by MarikinaMan
                      The old BB rifle wasnt allowed a forward grip under the old CA rules.
                      Yes. It was. You're very confused.
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                      • #12
                        enorbit3
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 2600

                        My bb colt came with a Magpul forward grip. And it was registered as a bbraw with it too. RAW and BBRAW can have all the features
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                        • #13
                          painkiller
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 940

                          Not allowed on a raw?LOL,how can a RAW be any more assaulty?
                          everyone has a phtographic memory,some just dont have the film

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                          • #14
                            RickD427
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 9256

                            Originally posted by painkiller
                            Not allowed on a raw?LOL,how can a RAW be any more assaulty?
                            That's the ten-thousand dollar question.

                            If you read the statutes, and are naive enough to take them at face value, there is no difference. A weapon either is, or is not, a Registered Assault Weapon. You cannot make it any more "Assaultier."

                            Things get a little stickier if your read the regulations in addition to the statutes. The regulations contain specific language suggesting that an existing Registered Assault Weapon, can be re-manufactured into a new, and unregistered Assault Weapon and the regulations give the example of removing the Bullet Button from a BBRAW. Under the specific example in the regs, you can make a BBRAW more "Assaultier" by removing the Bullet Button.

                            And for the truly paranoid, things get even worse when you consider the apparent DOJ position, supported the Fourth Circuit's decision in Broughman v Carver and language in PC 29180(a), that changing the component parts of a firearm amount to the manufacture of a new firearm from what was the old firearm.
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                            • #15
                              ohsmily
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 8934

                              Originally posted by RickD427
                              That's the ten-thousand dollar question.

                              If you read the statutes, and are naive enough to take them at face value, there is no difference. A weapon either is, or is not, a Registered Assault Weapon. You cannot make it any more "Assaultier."

                              Things get a little stickier if your read the regulations in addition to the statutes. The regulations contain specific language suggesting that an existing Registered Assault Weapon, can be re-manufactured into a new, and unregistered Assault Weapon and the regulations give the example of removing the Bullet Button from a BBRAW. Under the specific example in the regs, you can make a BBRAW more "Assaultier" by removing the Bullet Button.

                              And for the truly paranoid, things get even worse when you consider the apparent DOJ position, supported the Fourth Circuit's decision in Broughman v Carver and language in PC 29180(a), that changing the component parts of a firearm amount to the manufacture of a new firearm from what was the old firearm.
                              The DOJ is an executive agency. Their authority to regulate assault weapons only extends as far as what is delegated to them by the legislature. The legislature amended the AW statutes (which speak for themselves) and delegated to the DOJ the authority to promulgate regulations for a registration scheme to mete out the legislative goals of the amended statutes. DOJ doesn't get to make new laws/regs without explicit authority from the legislature. They created a registration process to register assault weapons oer the mandate from the legislature. Their regs pertaining to manufacturing a new assault weapon if you change the magazine locking device was whipped up out of wholecloth with no legislative support in the actual statutes. I have yet to come across someone who reg'ed (as an AW) a BB equipped rifle and was arrested or prosecuted for altering their BBRAW to be more "assaulty" aka a newly manufactured AW. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I would welcome such a case for several reasons.

                              I am NOT advising anyone to remove the BB from their BBRAW. That is a decision each person should make for themselves based on their risk tolerance and research. Make the decision for yourself after doing your due diligence. I've made mine.
                              Last edited by ohsmily; 12-04-2021, 11:26 PM.
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