Complete lower legality?

[kamagong]

Sorry for the question, but I've been out of it for a while so I am not up to speed as to the current hoops we need to jump through.

Is it still possible to buy a complete lower here in CA? It won't have a stock, and I'm going to ask the seller to remove the grip. It'll just be the lower and internals (trigger group, buffer, tube, and spring).

[land locked]

As long as the lower is not banned by name you should be good to go.

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[dogcatcher]

You don't have to remove the stock. Register the lower as multi-caliber which will include 22lr. Rimfire is not currently affected by AW restrictions. Just be sure not to mount a centerfire upper w/o either a featureless configuration or approved magazine lock.

[loyalgunfighter]

How about a 9mm receiver from Brownells? Can I just ask them to ship to my FFL?

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/lower-receivers/epc-9-threaded-receiver-set-9mm-40-s-w-black-sku100042438-140947-256913.aspx?sku=100042438

[naz]

It’s possible but not all FFL will accept a complete AR lower with “features”

[enorbit3]

@loyal,

Yeah. That should be fine. The link you posted is for a receiver set but the lower isn't complete. I just had brownells ship stripped lowers to my ffl and paid the transfer fees.

[edgerly779]

Complete lowers are fine why disassemble. I have one for sale in long guns now.

[kamagong]

Do complete lowers still require a bullet button type device?

[edgerly779]

^^^ No

[Harry Ono]

Sorry for the question, but I've been out of it for a while so I am not up to speed as to the current hoops we need to jump through.

Is it still possible to buy a complete lower here in CA? It won't have a stock, and I'm going to ask the seller to remove the grip. It'll just be the lower and internals (trigger group, buffer, tube, and spring).

Yes, you can buy a stripped lower with no internals or complete lower with internals as you listed. I bought a completed lower and made a 22lr out of it. I can swap the upper 22lr for a 223/556 barrel if I want.

[dfletcher]

Just to stir the pot a bit. If the ability to be assembled as a rimfire, whether one does or does not possess a rimfire upper at the time, is determinative regarding legality - what rimfire upper can be attached to a 9mm lower? Assuming the lower is a true 9mm and not one using a block insert.

And regarding the above, what about AR 10 lowers?

[SkyHawk]

Just to stir the pot a bit. If the ability to be assembled as a rimfire, whether one does or does not possess a rimfire upper at the time, is determinative regarding legality - what rimfire upper can be attached to a 9mm lower? Assuming the lower is a true 9mm and not one using a block insert.

And regarding the above, what about AR 10 lowers?

A homemade upper. That's what upper.

And a centerfire bolt action or anything not semi auto is also legal with full features. So a homemade bolt action 9mm upper or single shot upper. Whether such an upper is currently commercially available or not has no bearing on the legality of the lower assembly. A person possessing such a lower may be intending to develop new rimfire or other non-semi-auto centerfire upper gadgets.

A simple plug / dowel in the buffer tube is going to keep a blowback 9mm from cycling, requiring the action to be opened to manually eject and load a new round. That is literally how easy it is to disable semi auto with a commercial 9mm lower/upper, unless I am missing something.

[dfletcher]

A homemade upper. That's what upper.

And a centerfire bolt action or anything not semi auto is also legal with full features. So a homemade bolt action 9mm upper or single shot upper. Whether such an upper is currently commercially available or not has no bearing on the legality of the lower assembly. A person possessing such a lower may be intending to develop new rimfire or other non-semi-auto centerfire upper gadgets.

A simple plug / dowel in the buffer tube is going to keep a blowback 9mm from cycling, requiring the action to be opened to manually eject and load a new round. That is literally how easy it is to disable semi auto with a commercial 9mm lower/upper, unless I am missing something.

I hadn't considered the "singe shot 9mm" or bolt action upper - I'd say that works in this scenario.

I think the law is sufficiently clear that a lower by itself cannot be considered an AW, but as they say "this is CA".