featureless is better than fixed mag?

[CheapBloke]

I personally like the brakes and comps. Louder the better (my hearing isn't affected by anything smaller than a 357 without earplugs).

Just hate to be the shooter next to me when I do shoot with loud brakes.

[Featureless]

Featureless changes only the form, not the function. Going featureless does not change the trigger group, the BCG, etc. Featureless, done correctly, only eliminates the evil pistol grip, flash hider and collapsible stock. It does not change the function. IOW going featureless gives you a standard semiauto rifle but better.

[MarikinaMan]

Featureless changes only the form, not the function. Going featureless does not change the trigger group, the BCG, etc. Featureless, done correctly, only eliminates the evil pistol grip, flash hider and collapsible stock. It does not change the function. IOW going featureless gives you a standard semiauto rifle but better.

Sure, for bench shooting.

No matter what koolaid you drink, a standard pistol grip AR is still better.

Gimme two seconds and come within arms reach, I'll slap that featureless rifle off your hands.

A neutered AR, featureless or fixed, is a range toy. Youre lying to yourself if you think that either one is your best choice for a fighting rifle.

Get a compliant rifle for home defense, a Saiga or a Mini-14, even a shotgun.

Then have an AR you can convert to standard config in a moments notice just in case the chit hits that fan. When it does, are rules go out the window.

[Dopefkr]

The Juggernaut replaces the normal bolt release button. Far from ideal, and does not lock back on empty (or at all really), leading to what we see here in this thread with everyone believing all mag-lock devices behave as such (they do not).

The Juggernaut is an old design, consider upgrading to an ARMaglock and install a normal bolt catch. That will allow you to properly drop the bolt after inserting an empty magazine. You can continue to run the rear takedown pin that came in the kit - there is little difference between it and the KingPin other than size.

This is exactly what i did since i wasnt happy with the full juggernaut set up. Combining the 2 works perfect for me. Having used a old crappy design i get why some hate it. I kinda hated it too. So i changed that and added ARmag and its just a no brainer to use. Im not saying its better than featureless but for me it is. Id rather have the comfort of a full grip and adjust the stock as i please.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

Function over form always. So Yes.

[calif 15-22]

[SVenigma]

Back when the bullet button was an option, that is what I used since it allowed all the features and wasn't that big of a deal to operate. I had the little nubs from Thordsen on my mags too.

When the bullet button was no longer an option, I went featureless. I tried the fin grips and grip wraps, which are the only option for a lot of different rifles, and never felt like I had a good grip on the rifle. For my AR15s I changed to the Sparrow grips and I find them to be nearly as good as a normal pistol grip. Note that I have big hands so I am able to wrap around them all the way around.

Plus featureless allows me to use my Freedom Week mags.

[crufflers]

Function over form always. So Yes.

There is a whole generation of would-be / wanna-be gun aficionados that know it is always looks over functionality and don't care how it really functions at all until they go to the range a few times or someone shows them the difference... and then they are BUMMED but still think looking cool is better. Once they finish effing up their one rifle, they can go put rainbow lights in their clear PC's and do cable management while they vape.

[Scotty]

You young kids. You probably don't even know about the secret missions to a strip mall in Milpitas to pick up an OLL and hope that Iggy won't show up an arrest everyone in two weeks.

The definition of a thumbhole is pretty well hashed out a decade before your join date. Here's the thread with the press release. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=139100

[bigstick61]

As beginner to AR-15, do we have any discussion on which option is better to have a California legal AR-15, featureless or fixed mag? Like to know pros and cons from both operation as well as self-build perspectives?

For the AR-15 itself, featureless is, IMO, the better route. The design doesn't lend itself as well as others to fixed-mag use (although clever adaptations have been made, such as chargers for the AR-15 that use the ejection port as a guide, or means to pop open the action and drop the mag quickly), and fixed-mag means being stuck with ten rounds or less in a magazine. It does, however, lend itself well to grips that are not "pistol grips" under the law and that are more ergonomic than the finned grip nonsense, like the Resurgent Arms and Sparrow Dynamics offerings, or the ergonomic but aesthetically displeasing Thordsen stock. Some selectors also permit changing lever orientation, which help further.

With a featureless set-up, you can have a weapon that is still reasonably ergonomic and can use detachable large-capacity magazines. It is also easily reconfigurable to a free-State configuration for use outside of CA. Swap muzzle devices (unless you prefer the one you have), swap grips, remove whatever is preventing a stock from adjusting, and there you go.

Now, other weapons don't lend themselves as well to featureless configurations or were designed to use chargers, making fixed-mag use much more practical, or even both. A good example is the FAL. The design of the trigger housing makes the use of grips like the ones mentioned above impossible. The only option is the grip fin, which is impractical for serious/social usage. Making it featureless makes it impractical. However, it can be fitted with a top cover or scope mount that has a charger guide, permitting loading with chargers, which makes it work for fixed-mag use, and the method to fix the mag in place can be swapped within a minute's time with the standard parts.

The trade-offs vary by weapons design, but with the AR-15, they do tend to favor featureless. For that reason, I chose to do both of my ARs as featureless. I only just finished my first one in April of last year, and my second one last month.

Basically, you're making the grip somewhat less comfortable, eliminating the ability to suppress flash, and eliminating the ability to adjust the stock at will in exchange for being able to have unlimited magazine capacity and to be able to rapidly reload and change magazines, and do so without having to open up the gun's action, which also makes stoppages much easier to clear, as a jam won't prevent magazine removal, which may be necessary to clear the jam.

[theLBC]

the new proposed laws would make this illegal as well.

[Sparrow Dynamics]

You young kids. You probably don't even know about the secret missions to a strip mall in Milpitas to pick up an OLL and hope that Iggy won't show up an arrest everyone in two weeks.

The definition of a thumbhole is pretty well hashed out a decade before your join date. Here's the thread with the press release. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=139100

[Jarhead]

👍 Thanks; Companies like yours have been instrumental in fighting back, a fight made more difficult by the complacency / ignorance of so many Gun Owners.

[ap3572001]

As beginner to AR-15, do we have any discussion on which option is better to have a California legal AR-15, featureless or fixed mag? Like to know pros and cons from both operation as well as self-build perspectives?

It depends. If You want to have an AR for home defense for example and std magazines are available for You to use ( Freedom Week , etc) featureless makes perfect sense. Get a nice factory lower , buy a nice upper that does not have a flash hider ( there are plenty of them out there . I like the Rock River option) and buy a 25.00 fin that is secured by screws, You are good to go. If You just enjoy shooting and looks of a traditional AR15/M4 style rifle , maglock is fine.

[TMB 1]

Sure, for bench shooting.

No matter what koolaid you drink, a standard pistol grip AR is still better.

Gimme two seconds and come within arms reach, I'll slap that featureless rifle off your hands.

A neutered AR, featureless or fixed, is a range toy. Youre lying to yourself if you think that either one is your best choice for a fighting rifle.

Get a compliant rifle for home defense, a Saiga or a Mini-14, even a shotgun.

Then have an AR you can convert to standard config in a moments notice just in case the chit hits that fan. When it does, are rules go out the window.

It's not going to be any easier for you to slap a featureless AR off someone's hands than if they have a Saiga, a Mini 14 or a shotgun, especially if featureless AR has pinned carbine stock with Monsterman or Sparrow grip. They are all held onto in the same manner.