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  • 2ndusa
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    • Oct 2020
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    AK47 red dot zero

    Hello
    I recently zeroed my AK47 with a red dot at 25 yards.
    At 15 yards the point of impact is about 3 inches below the red dot.
    Has anyone run into this issue?
    What is the optimal range to zero ak47 with red dot?
    Thanks
  • #2
    TS77
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2007
    • 1697

    I like the 25 yard zero for the ak, far zero is about 200 meters, Max height is like 4 inches around 150 yards

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    • #3
      2ndusa
      Banned
      • Oct 2020
      • 34

      Originally posted by TS77
      I like the 25 yard zero for the ak, far zero is about 200 meters, Max height is like 4 inches around 150 yards
      what is your POI for 15 yards?

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      • #4
        HooYah
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 1573

        I prefer the 50 yard zero for the AK. Pretty much the same POA/POI as a 100 yard zero. But it really doesn't matter which zero you choose, you still have to know your hold overs and hold unders at any given distance/angle.

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        • #5
          Steve1968LS2
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Feb 2010
          • 9248

          Originally posted by 2ndusa
          Hello
          I recently zeroed my AK47 with a red dot at 25 yards.
          At 15 yards the point of impact is about 3 inches below the red dot.
          Has anyone run into this issue?
          What is the optimal range to zero ak47 with red dot?
          Thanks
          Yes.. that's normal..

          take a piece of paper and draw a straight line (call it the barrel)

          Then draw another line above it to represent the red dot.. now the lines can't be parallel since they will never converge, so they have to cross at some point and that would be your zero.

          Of course you can change the zero but everywhere closer to the gun from zero will have the bullet being lower (how much depends on how high your optic is over your bore) and every point after the zero will have the bullet striking higher.

          Now, the bullet eventually starts to drop and will once again cross the line of the optic/sights and that will be your second zero..

          This is why people say you need to learn your holdovers and holdunders for how you have your gun sighted in.
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          • #6
            SVT-40
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2008
            • 12894

            Originally posted by 2ndusa
            Hello
            I recently zeroed my AK47 with a red dot at 25 yards.
            At 15 yards the point of impact is about 3 inches below the red dot.
            Has anyone run into this issue?
            What is the optimal range to zero ak47 with red dot?
            Thanks
            Thats because your sight is about 3" above the bore. They converge at 25 yards resulting in your 25 yard zero. Beyond 25 yards the bullet impact will be above your zero, until the arc of the bullet once again hits the dot, which should be around 200 yards.

            Bullets travel in a arc. Where your red dot is on a fixed point. They only actually converge twice.
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            • #7
              MarikinaMan
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 4864

              I did a 19.5 yard “Russian” zero specifically for the D/P position on the iron sights, and adjusted my red dot for the same POA POI

              When I tested it, its minute of man from 0 to 300 yards. I can hit 12 inch plates in that range with no compensation on my red dot. Im very happy with it.

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              • #8
                TS77
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2007
                • 1697

                Originally posted by 2ndusa
                what is your POI for 15 yards?
                sorry, i don't actually know, but it's gotta be a little 2 inches low because of sight-off set. ak sight is about 2 inches above bore.


                your 3 inches low sounds a little lower than it should be, but how are you mounting your red dot? if the center of your red dot is about an inch higher than your sights, that 3-inch low sounds about right

                if you're using one of those side rails mounts, that extra inch sound right since your red dot is about an inch higher than the sights (though i hear the RS mounts and newish Midwest industries mounts are about top-cover height) if you're using an ultimak type mount, you should still be about the 2 inches low at 15.

                to echo another poster, what i actually do is zero at 50 with the "1" setting -- that's AK-close enough for a 100 meter setting, and use the "2" setting (near zero 25 yards, far zero 200M) for point-blank shooting.
                Last edited by TS77; 01-21-2021, 9:15 AM.

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                • #9
                  kcheung2
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 4387

                  Originally posted by 2ndusa
                  Hello
                  I recently zeroed my AK47 with a red dot at 25 yards.
                  At 15 yards the point of impact is about 3 inches below the red dot.
                  Has anyone run into this issue?
                  What is the optimal range to zero ak47 with red dot?
                  Thanks
                  Are you doing precision shooting at 15 yds? For most people doing 15 yd shots, the priority is being able to quickly take a shot & being within 6" of the target is acceptable. If you want to do precision shooting, an AK with a red dot & 15 yds is not the way to go about that.
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                  • #10
                    sfvshooter
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 1196

                    Originally posted by 2ndusa
                    Hello
                    I recently zeroed my AK47 with a red dot at 25 yards.
                    At 15 yards the point of impact is about 3 inches below the red dot.
                    Has anyone run into this issue?
                    What is the optimal range to zero ak47 with red dot?
                    Thanks
                    Google mechanical offset
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                    • #11
                      2ndusa
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2020
                      • 34

                      Originally posted by TS77
                      sorry, i don't actually know, but it's gotta be a little 2 inches low because of sight-off set. ak sight is about 2 inches above bore.


                      your 3 inches low sounds a little lower than it should be, but how are you mounting your red dot? if the center of your red dot is about an inch higher than your sights, that 3-inch low sounds about right

                      if you're using one of those side rails mounts, that extra inch sound right since your red dot is about an inch higher than the sights (though i hear the RS mounts and newish Midwest industries mounts are about top-cover height) if you're using an ultimak type mount, you should still be about the 2 inches low at 15.

                      to echo another poster, what i actually do is zero at 50 with the "1" setting -- that's AK-close enough for a 100 meter setting, and use the "2" setting (near zero 25 yards, far zero 200M) for point-blank shooting.

                      Yeah I am using a side rail.

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                      • #12
                        NewbieDave
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 1277



                        50 or 100yd zero... when aimed across the chest, killing them out to 200 yards, headshot in the T-box will still land rounds in the lower head area. Your mechanical offset really comes into play when making precision shot up close... anything else, you're zeroing your reddot to the path of the bullet which is physically set by the muzzle energy, weight and length of barrel (I'm simplifying it but you get the idea).


                        NB
                        Last edited by NewbieDave; 01-21-2021, 12:40 PM.

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                        • #13
                          2ndusa
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2020
                          • 34

                          Originally posted by NewbieDave


                          50 or 100yd zero... when aimed across the chest, killing them out to 200 yards, headshot in the T-box will still land rounds in the lower head area. Your mechanical offset really comes into play when making precision shot up close... anything else, you're zeroing your reddot to the path of the bullet which is physically set by the muzzle energy, weight and length of barrel (I'm simplifying it but you get the idea).


                          NB
                          so 50yd zero is probably way to ggo

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                          • #14
                            naz
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2020
                            • 3104

                            Are any of you guys using Axiom Kobra red dot?

                            I am struggling to find RS regulate mounts in stock for my Zpap, and am tempted to go for a Kobra (was trying to go with mount + dot I could use on AR also)

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                            • #15
                              SirRicky85
                              Member
                              • Sep 2016
                              • 336

                              I use a 50 yards zero on my AK
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