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  • gunsrfun
    Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 292

    LAW folder question

    Would a LAW folder be legal on a featureless build as long as it meets minimum length requirements? I get that folding stocks are considered a feature, but since the LAW can only fire a single shot folded, would that make the folding stock non-applicable?
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    Oldmandan
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 2721

    LAW12 is banned by name, so no
    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them" - Richard Henry Lee

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      C.G.
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2005
      • 8161

      Most zealous DAs would consider it a collapsible stock and collapsible stocks are not legal on a featureless. The only one that is definitely legal is on a Keltec SU16-A, B, CA but they cannot fire at all when folded.
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        C.G.
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2005
        • 8161

        Originally posted by Oldmandan
        LAW12 is banned by name, so no
        He is talking about a LAW, not a LAW12:

        The first and only folding stock adapter compatible with all AR platform rifles. The Law Tactical Folding Stock Adapter works with direct impingement or gas piston systems and fits any A2, carbine, mil spec or commercial buffer tube and stock
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        • #5
          Quiet
          retired Goon
          • Mar 2007
          • 30241

          Originally posted by gunsrfun
          Would a LAW folder be legal on a featureless build as long as it meets minimum length requirements? I get that folding stocks are considered a feature, but since the LAW can only fire a single shot folded, would that make the folding stock non-applicable?
          It would still be considered a folding stock.

          Because all the parts to allow the firearm to operate as a semi-auto is still installed on the firearm, the firearm will still be considered a semi-auto.

          Minimum overall length needs to be 30" with it folded and non-permanently attached muzzle device removed.
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          • #6
            boltstop
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2007
            • 927

            Originally posted by gunsrfun
            Would a LAW folder be legal on a featureless build as long as it meets minimum length requirements? I get that folding stocks are considered a feature, but since the LAW can only fire a single shot folded, would that make the folding stock non-applicable?

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            • #7
              etwinam
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2016
              • 3223

              What about on a BBRAW? I have two and I kind of want the Law folder on one.
              God, Guns & Integrity. Prioritize your Priorities.

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                Rasyad
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Sep 2009
                • 122

                Originally posted by etwinam
                What about on a BBRAW? I have two and I kind of want the Law folder on one.
                It would be fine so long as the OAL when folded us longer than 26 inches and the barrel longer than 16 inches.

                Rasyad

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                • #9
                  etwinam
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2016
                  • 3223

                  Originally posted by Rasyad
                  It would be fine so long as the OAL when folded us longer than 26 inches and the barrel longer than 16 inches.

                  Rasyad
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                    C.G.
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8161

                    This is a similar concept but the difference is that it can't fire:

                    Rainier Arms AR-15 QD Stock Adapter by Rellim Arms allows you to completely remove the stock from the firearm, creating a much smaller footprint when it comes to storage or traveling. The patent pending design allows for simple installation, and in a few minutes you'll be able to remove your stock completely in seconds! Specifications: Front Mount Back Mount Bolt Extension 3 oz Carbine Buffer CNC machined from 7075 T6 Aluminum Mil-Spec Type III Class 2 Hardcoat Anodized Patents Pending Limited LIFETIME WARRANTY Manufactured and Assembled in the USA DO NOT FIRE WITHOUT STOCK ATTACHED!!
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                    • #11
                      boltstop
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 927

                      Originally posted by C.G.
                      This is a similar concept but the difference is that it can't fire:

                      https://www.rainierarms.com/rainier-...82700962895361
                      What stops it from firing without the stock attached?

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                      • #12
                        C.G.
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 8161

                        Originally posted by boltstop
                        What stops it from firing without the stock attached?
                        I visited the Rellim page (which I did not link, https://www.rellimarms.com/store/p54...ter-Kit.html#/) which says do not fire with the stock unattached. Unfortunately the original ad link to the Rellim stock adaptor said this:

                        Rainier Arms AR-15 QD Stock Adapter Kit by Rellim Arms
                        Something New: Rellim Arms Stock Adapter Kit

                        The Rellim Arms replaces the rifle’s buffer and buffer tube so that the stock can be completely removed, shortening the footprint of the gun for easier transport and carry. It was a good addition to this gun, which for a .223 can be a little large to just stick in the back of a car and take to the range.

                        The Rellim Arms Stock Adapter Kit is CNC machined from 7075 T6 Aluminum and features a Mil-spec Type II Class 2 Hardcoat Anodizing. It is manufactured and assembled in the USA and includes a limited lifetime warranty.

                        It is important to note that the gun cannot be fired without the stock attached. This is actually a key detail that helps keep your gun legal since in an operational format a rifle must be at least 26” in length.

                        $210
                        SHOP RELLIM ARMS STOCK ADAPTER KIT

                        So, it sounds like Raineer Arms screwed up and your question is a very valid one. I should have questioned it more before posting, my bad.

                        It seems it may still be capable of firing once if you remove the stock when a round is loaded.
                        Last edited by C.G.; 07-30-2020, 10:49 PM.
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